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New York State Ban - We need your help as well as other states

Discussion in 'Activism' started by 1stmarine, Jan 3, 2013.

  1. 1stmarine

    1stmarine Senior Member

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    You are right. There are more holes on this legislation than a Swiss cheese and that is why the state is being sued.
    The 7 round limit is a joke. Many pistols do not even have 7 round version so now suppliers will not ship the gun shops.
    Online sales of ammo are also stopped.

    Cuomo and his gang have achieved the following:

    - Violated the constitution. Not just the second but a de facto law
    is also a big no no.
    - Made instant criminals of honest citizens.
    - Has destroyed and entire industry and lots of people will loose their
    businesses and their jobs. Remington made clear that they will pull
    out of Lyons NY. If they do that, and you cannot blame them for that,
    that town will become a ghost town.
    - Has created a safety problem in the state. This state is a criminal
    safe-heaven now.

    And what is the worse thing of all, no one single reasonable measure in the bill that is going to make our
    kids in schools and others safer. The bill was printed at 11:00pm and voted on at 11:30pm. No opportunity
    for hearings or careful though was given before these draconian measures where pushed
    down New Yorker's throats.

    Cuomo, Skelos and others have lost any credibility and IMO Cuomo has committed political suicide
    and he will never be president. The media are talking how he might be looking as a donkey that
    wanted to make a statement and beat Obama to the punch and in the process he screwed up.
    People of New York love this state and will fight to the end to get this thing overturned and
    these criminals out of office.
     
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    Whenever we send a letter or try to get someone engaged in our cause
    education is paramount.

    This is a great collateral to send to anyone about the truth behind
    the term assault weapon...

    http://www.assaultweapon.info/
     
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    My thanks to far left wing socialists. They've united gun owners in a way I never thought possible by showing us how disgusting they are and how willingly they'll dance on children's graves to advance their agenda.

    This is the first time I can think of where several states have introduced bills explicitly saying that they will not comply with any federal bans on firearms.
     
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    Gun owners everywhere need to have a long memory on this one, just in case Cuomo does try to run for president.
     
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    Did anyone read the article about police officers NOT being exempt from the magazine size limit? They're now trying to 'amend' it, to provide an 'exemption' for the 'special' one's, I'd urge everyone to call their legislator, and have them vote 'NO' for this. Cops should carry the same magazine capacity as citizens.
     
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    All I can say is: shame on New York gun owners!

    The legislature felt like they could get away with this law because of you!!!
     
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    Sure blame it on gun owners! Everyone has been working on this w/o sleep.
    You see, we have NYC and Bloomberg who is worse than Hitler and I am not exagerating. Did you see how Cuomo and his gang passed the law and what is in the law itself? Several violations of the constitution. Don't think for a second than everyone is safe with people like this in office. TX, Utah and a few others must feel pretty safe but we are going socialist all over at the speed of light. We do what we can but the corrupt news and media are hurting us big time. Did you see Obama exploiting children to further their radical agendas?
    America is being brainwashed like Europe and see where Europe is right now.
    That is the real problem.

    So please don't blame it on New York Firearm Owners. We are as committed to defend the constitution and liberty as as anybody else.
     
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    Breaking News !!!!!!!!!! NY Sheriffs Fighting back !!!!

    Everyone print this out and bring it to your local sheriff !!!!! A few NY Sheriffs have vowed to not comply !!!!!!!!

    Local sheriffs question merits of new N.Y. law By JOE MAHONEY 01/16/2013 12:18 PM
    Schoharie County Sheriff Tony Desmond and Otsego County Sheriff Richard Devlin Jr. both questioned the merits of a new package of gun control measures signed into law Tuesday by Gov. Andrew Cuomo.

    Cuomo argued the legislation will enhance public safety in New York. But Desmond said that requiring citizens to register guns that the new legislation now defines as assault weapons will not be a priority of his department.

    “Nobody from the Schoharie sheriff’s department is going to be taking any weapons away from anyone unless they have committed a crime,” Desmond said. “An average law-abiding citizen is not going to have to worry about the sheriff’s department coming to take their weapon or arresting them for having a weapon.”

    The legislation broadens the definition of assault weapons to include guns that had previously been described as such. For instance, a shotgun with a pistol grip is labeled by the new law as an assault weapon because of the single feature of having a pistol grip.

    Although Cuomo had indicated last month that he was considering the option of having the government confiscate assault weapons, the legislation that overwhelming passed the state Senate and Assembly allowed those weapons to be kept by owners if they already have them.

    Desmond said forcing citizens to register such guns is impractical and doe not enhance public safety.

    “We don’t have the time to run around and tell everybody to bring their long weapons in to register them,” he said. “We’re just barely keeping up with the pistol permits we have now.”

    Devlin said that while he agreed with some features of the legislation — such as a new requirement that pistol permit and rifle registration information be kept confidential — the thrust of it will have an onerous impact on law-abiding citizens who acquired their guns through proper channels.

    “I don’t see how this legislation is going to prevent a crazy person from doing something that’s crazy,” Devlin said.

    He said numerous gun owners have contacted him to register their displeasure with the legislation. “People are not happy,” he said.

    State Sen. James Seward, R-Milford, a long-time gun rights advocate, was one of the 18 state senators who voted against the gun package, which was acted on as a single bill.

    Seward said he agreed with one component that increases the punishment for anyone convicted of killing a first responder as well as the provision limiting public access to gun records kept by local governments. The latter provision was inserted in the legislation following an uproar in Westchester County after a newspaper owned by the Gannett Co. acquired a database of gun permit owners and published their names and home addresses.

    Seward said he also favored a provision that requires mental health providers to report to law enforcement when they encounter patients who could endanger others with weapons..

    “My problem with the legislation is it zeroes in too much on the weapons — and puts restrictions on law abiding legitimate gun owners,” the senator said. He noted the overwhelming majority of his constituents were opposed to the new restrictions.

    Daily Star : Local sheriffs question merits of new N.Y. law
    http://m.thedailystar.com/thedailystar/db_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=Zm8YVmEv&full=true#display
     
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    "The Sheriff: More Power Than the President" - Sheriff Richard Mack

    Sheriff Richard Mack is the Sheriff that stood up to defend the U.S. Constitution and the autonomy of Sheriffs across the country. His lawsuit in 1994 and subsequent victory at the U.S. Supreme Court proved once and for all that the Sheriff is indeed the ultimate law enforcement authority in his county and in this country.

    What rights does the U.S. Constitution actually guarantee? Why is it important to keep our means of self-defense? What can we do to remain strong as individuals and families, so that we can remain strong as a nation? What can the Sheriff do to protect us from all enemies, both foreign and domestic? A Sheriff is not a bureaucrat and he does not answer to one; he answers to his boss, the citizens. The Sheriff is the employee of the people and exists to serve and protect them in all matters. To uphold and defend the U.S. Constitution is a Sheriffs primary duty and sworn responsibility. How do we "re-educate" our Sheriffs of their duty to the people, not the federal government? What about all the federal funding, how does it affect a Sheriffs ability to do his job?

    Sheriff Mack is the man to answer all our questions. Be prepared to learn what incredible power the people, through their elected Sheriff, really have available to them if they decide to use it. You will definitely be enlightened and empowered after hearing Sheriff Mack.

    http://www.radioliberty.com/vsheriff.html
     
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    Read the news before you post. Help if you want or please stay away from this thread.

    We have been downtown every day!. This weekend we are in Albany thousands of firearm owners.

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    Organized March on State Capitals (Guns Across America)

    Organization NEW YORK CAPITAL
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    Where: NY State Capitol - Capitol Building, State Street, Albany, NY 12230
    When: High Noon, Saturday Jan 19th 2013
    Why: To show support of our Second Amendment Right

    http://www.facebook.com/GunsAcrossAmericaNewYork?fref=ts

    DRESS PROPERLY.
    DONT SHOW UP IN FATIGES, CAMMO OR WITH A SHOOTING VEST ON.
    AVOID SWEAR LANGUAGE, THE TV IS WATCHING.
    THIS IS AN EVENT TO CONVINCE AMERICA WE ARE JUST LIKE ANY
    OTHER CITIZENS AND WE ARE HERE TO PROTECT OUR FREEDOM
    AND PROTEST FOR THIS ASSAULT ON THE MOST FUNDAMENTAL
    CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

    GUESS WHAT? I HAD TO WORK TOO AND FAMILY STUFF BUT I CANCELLED
    EVERYTHING AND I WILL BE THERE LIKE THOUSANDS OF OTHERS.

    THE ONLY THING THAT CANNOT WAIT IS THIS SITUATION GOING THE
    WAY IS GOING W/O MASSIVE RESISTANCE IN PERSON.
    WE WILL NOT GIVE UP. EVER.
     
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    Yes because a bill drafted and voted on at midnight on Tuesday and signed into law on Wednesday morning specifically so lobbyists couldn't have a say is going to get everyone marching in the dark.

    Trust me, it's starting now.
     
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    This is how some senators wipe their tuckus with the US constitution.

    Assemblyman asked to keep the Dem proposals for the NY SAFE Act away from the public.

    NYS Assemblyman Steve McLaughlin District 107:

    Here it is. This is the video where I was asked to keep the Democrat proposals for the NY SAFE Act away from the public. This list was given to me by a colleague and it is not confidential.

    This bill was an attack on the 2nd amendment and the Democrats clearly wanted to dismantle the work of the Founding Fathers. None of these amendments were included in the final bill thanks to us fighting back. I will not stand silent while these unpatriotic proposals are pathetically thrown at us a 11 o’clock at night:

    01. Confiscation of "assault weapons"
    02. Confiscation o ten round clips
    03. Statewide database for ALL Guns
    04. Continue to allow pistol permit holder's information to be replaced to the public
    05. Label semiautomatic shotguns with more than 5 rounds or pistol grips as "assault weapons”
    06. Limit the number of rounds in a magazine to 5 and confiscation and forfeiture of banned magazines
    07. Limit possession to no more than two (2) magazines
    08. Limit purchase of guns to one gun per person per month
    09. Require re-licensing of all pistol permit owners
    10. Require renewal of all pistol permits every five years
    11. State issued pistol permits
    12. Micro-stamping of all guns in New York State
    13. Require licensing of all gun ammo dealers
    14. Mandatory locking of guns at home
    15. Fee for licensing, registering weapons

    http://cavalierknight.com/video/ny.safe.act/01.ny.safe.act.videos.html


    Sorry If I make you through up. I almost did.
     
  18. birddog

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    TomRKBA

    Get a grip. NY is a huge state. It's a VERY red state with a couple of very big BLUE cities that influence everything that happens. We are outnumbered.

    Did you elect Obama? Someone in a foreign country would say "those stupid Americans elected Obama. They are STUPID and MEEK. Why weren't they protesting in the streets." How would you feel? That's how I feel, and how my family and friends feel.

    Think about your words, please. You have no idea about what's going on here, or the caliber of the people that have been affected.
     
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    Remington plant is in new york state, right?

    What is remington doing about this bill? I bet they have a lot of assult weapons in their plant.:neener:
     
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    Again, there is a culture in New York that allows these insane laws to exist of which gun owners are a part. I know several New York citizens with carry permits and we discussed how things are outside of the city. But, the fact of the matter is that New York gun owners have complied with all the laws prior to this one. These politicians felt completely comfortable in voting for this evil law.

    I hope you are not only able to roll back this law, but also turn New York into a gun friendly state. I would love to one day visit New York City and carry my handgun concealed to a show. One of the other posters saw the good side of this law in that it revealed the anti-rights politicians' true goal: disarmament through registration, bureaucratic nonsense, taxes, and possible confiscation. Hopefully you will be able to sway enough politicians through the "soap" and "ballot" boxes.

    But you really need to make them understand that the "bullet" box is an option. It is not the preferred option, but it's on the table.
     
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    MANY THANKS TO EVERYONE THAT CAME TO THE RALLY!

    The Albany Rally went well. It was very nice to meet some of the firearms individuals including from the forums.

    Yesterday I was at the SCOPE meeting here in the Rochester Chapter and I got some very good ideas from that meeting.
    It was packed to the rim so it was hard to follow with the noise but nevertheless I think we got some very
    clear direction that other chapters are also going to implement consistently.


    A) The Law Suit seems pretty solid. This is going to go through several levels. We expect to loose in a couple until
    we can win the big one at the supreme court. This is going to need funding so I am asking everyone here if you
    are not a member, become one. If you are one donate what you can and most important, invite others.
    SCOPE is us and we are Scope. I have never been directly involved but I cannot afford to be a passive supporter
    anymore.

    B) There was a general consensus to stop hunting for the next 2 years. We are going to stop as much funding as
    possible going back to the state. They estimated 125M / year from licenses. All the folks there gave their promise
    (including me) not to renew their hunting licenses for 2 years. It is hard for me but it is going to be harder on Cuomo
    so that motivates me and makes me happy if we all join.

    If each firearm owner gave 1 dollar to scope that would mean 5 Million dollars. With that they said we could fight
    anything.

    C) Lets keep writing the Senators and policy makers. We will not rest one single day. We know they are looking at
    the daily numbers and if amendments come will be based on numbers. They expect that after a while the numbers
    will go down and the citizens will surrender to their stupid laws but they are going to get the opposite which is the
    protests are going to increase.

    One interesting idea that I learned from another fellow firearm owner is to create postcard templates that can be
    printed using the cards sheets they sell in Office Depot / Staples and that will accelerate the mailing process with
    key messages. We are also going to take some great letter templates and people can use those or customize
    a little. I am going to look for a place where we can have those things organized. A thread is not the best place.

    D) Go to the Scope website and signup for the updates. When you become a member you will automatically receive
    the updates.

    E) One thing that became clear is that we spend a few minutes a day emailing and specially in the social media.
    I received a list of recommendations that I am going to post to make this the most effective tool for everyone for
    activism. Expect each one of us is going to have one or more active accounts social media networks that are
    going to be blasting the senators walls and inboxes every day.
    I will explain the strategy in another post/thread. It is very simple and that is the same the Obama's grass roots
    activists do all over the place to discredit firearm owners and piss all over our rights.

    F) Become active in your shooting clubs. One thing that I didn't like is not to see people from my clubs in the
    Albany rally. I am going to talk tot he clubs here and next time more people are going to be there.
    We need to convince the hundreds of silent supporters and armchair activists that the time has come to put
    the boots on and hit the streets.

    But before you start with those measures take a few minutes to say a note of big thanks to all the senators
    and people that supported the 2nd amendment even they could not defeat those vicious forces and the millions
    from Bloomberg and his deals.


    Thanks.
     
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    A FEW PICTURES FROM THE ALBANY RALLY...
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    congrats, I am happy to admit that perhaps I was wrong about NY just rolling over.

    I'm not sure what we can do from outside your state besides give money, but if and when stuff starts to get hard, I for one will help you all out in any way I can.
     

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