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New York State Ban - We need your help as well as other states

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  1. Billy Shears

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    (I originally started to post this in the "Impeach Cuomo" thread, but it was locked before I hit the post button)

    Rather than waste time and effort in a lost cause, like trying to get Cuomo impeached, I think people's efforts would be better spent in trying to get the major gun companies to boycott NY, and any other state that passes such draconian laws. Some companies have already joined Olympic Arms in boycotting NY http://www.ncgunblog.com/new-york-boycott/. And people are trying to persuade SIG, Glock, and S&W, who among them have the lion's share of the law enforcement business in America today, to join in. Focus on getting these companies (and Colt couldn't hurt either -- they don't supply many handguns to cops anymore, but a lot of the patrol rifles riding around in squad cars today are Colt AR carbines) to sign on.

    This will be extremely difficult to persuade them to do. I am sure a lot of their money comes from these law enforcement sales, and they'll be reluctant to essentially amputate that part of their business. It will have to be sold to them as an example of putting long term profitability over short term profit. To begin with, New York is only a single state, so while the loss of that state's business will be felt (especially NY city), they still have the rest of the country's law enforcement to build on. But more importantly, they need to do something to persuade other states not to follow NY's example (California recently boasted its about to outdo NY for the title of "state with the most restrictive gun laws", and New Jersey, Michigan, Connecticut, and other states look like passing stricter legislation as well). Make it clear this is in their long-term interest to get into this fight. After all, there was once a thriving firearms industry in Britain. It's almost completely gone now, largely as a result of increasingly restrictive gun laws there destroying that industry's domestic market. If New York succeeds in getting this law on the books and keeping it there, and other states follow NY's example, a huge chunk of these companies' domestic marketplace will be legislated out of existence, thus depriving them of much of their profits. It's time for them to consider what their profitability is likely to be 20, 30, 50 years from now if this trend is allowed to progress. They may want to take a little hit now for the sake of saving their future viability. An ounce of prevention, after all, is worth a gallon of cure.

    Let's try and persuade them.
     
  2. Tom from WNY

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    The letter I have sent to firearms manufacturers

    To thost posting on the High Road who wish to help New York Firearms owners:

    This is a letter I have been sending to manufacturer's of AR-15's and handguns that can accept a magazine of 10+ rounds. Feel free to modify and send as appropriate.

    I am a law abiding New York State firearms owner and taxpayer. I do not appreciate that the Government of my State is making me a criminal; especially to serve the venial, pernicious ego of some of our politicians.

    In the SAFE act, there were no provisions for transfer of "large capacity ammunition feeding devices" or possession of same by Law Enforcement. After April 15, 2013, it will be illegal to sell a magazine holding more than 7 rounds in NYS.

    As a law abiding gun owner in New York State, I cannot, in good consciousness, support purchasing any product from any manufacturer who:

    A) Does not immediately cease to ship to New York State any magazine of greater than 10 round capacity. Cease shipment of magazines of 7-10 rounds after April 15. Standing contracts signed prior to January 14, 2013, for magazines holding more than 10 rounds for law enforcement firearms should be filled in accordance with contract terms; as well as exempting sales to Federal Agencies. This applies across the board; civilian and law enforcement sales.

    B) Continues to ship handguns for any reason, including law enforcement sales, to New York State capable of accepting a magazine holding more than 7 rounds. Again, exempt current standing contracts in force prior to January 14, 2013 and Federal sales.

    C) Does not immediately cease shipment of any rifle or carbine that meets the NY definition of an assault rifle to New York State for any reason, including law enforcement sales. Again, exempt standing contracts in force prior to January 14, 2013.

    When the laws are changed to allow us, law abiding New York citizen firearms owners, to retain our pre-9/13/1994 (Federal AWB) magazines without criminal penalty and have new 10 round or 10+ round magazines that we can load and carry, then, by all means, please ship full capacity magazines and handguns, with proper restrictions and legal disclaimers.

    Thank you for your understanding and cooperation. While this may seem like an odd request, we, in New York appreciate the support of those in industry who see our situation.

    Trust me when I tell you, this gets effect if you send it to the corporate officers. You get phone calls.

    This has been sent and is being used by members of my Gun Club; the club is in WNY. If we, as a NATIONAL 2A community stand together, we can beat all legislaiton.
     
  3. 1stmarine

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    That is very good. Thanks for sharing guys. All Sheriffs are with us and most LE agencies as well. This nonsense law is an illegal law, even judges have been outspoken about these facts and that is why they are going to loose but we have to keep pushing hard.
     
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    Reps. Stockman & Broun circulate letter to KILL ALL GUN CONTROL

    Something that impacts all states....

    Reps. Stockman & Broun circulate letter to KILL ALL GUN CONTROL

    We also deserved a vote, Mr. Obama, but we didn't get it from Harry Reid!
    Stockman, Broun answer the call to KILL ALL GUN CONTROL in the House

    Note to Barack Obama: Spare us the snide sarcasm and the dripping contempt. Obama's condescending state of the union speech shows, once again, why gun owners don't trust him.
    "They deserve a vote," hollered Obama, pointing to drooling anti-gun activists in the galleries.

    Well, so did we.

    Veterans deserved a vote on whether they would receive due process from a court of law before having their constitutional gun rights taken away. But, when Senator Chuck Schumer threatened to filibuster the DoD authorization bill in order to block that amendment, it didn't happen.

    Gun owners deserved a vote on Sen. John Thune's reciprocity legislation -- allowing concealed carry holders to carry their firearms from one state into another. But Democratic Leader Harry Reid made sure each controversial bill coming before the Senate was filled with the maximum number of allowable amendments, so Thune's amendment couldn't be offered.

    Gun owners deserved a vote on appropriations language to block 16,000 IRS agents from imprisoning those who refused to comply with the anti-gun ObamaCare law. But Reid carefully manipulated the Senate rules to insure the ObamaCare-related votes were kept to a minimum.

    From responsible budgeting to gun rights, Reid's office became the graveyard for votes on issues of interest to conservatives.
    Reps. Stockman & Broun circulate letter to KILL ALL GUN CONTROL
    So what can gun owners do? We can create a groundswell of support for what Rep. Steve Stockman (R-TX) is doing in the House.
    Rep. Stockman has just told GOA that he and Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA) will be circulating a letter asking the House leadership to refuse to bring up anti-gun legislation that is NOT supported by a majority of the Republican members of the House of Representatives.
    Stockman’s effort could potentially kill ALL GUN CONTROL in the House.
    We know, we know. We believe that gun control should die if only one constitutionalist-representative opposes it -- or even if none do. But, as a practical matter, if 117 congressmen sign a letter demanding that Boehner not bring up a gun control bill opposed by those 117 congressmen, gun control will die. Without that letter, Democrats will join with anti-gun Republicans, and gun control will pass.
    ACTION: Contact your Representative and urge him or her to cosign the Stockman-Broun letter. Please note that there are two different action responses for you to send, and the system will automatically send that response, depending upon whether your congressman is a Republican or Democrat.
    Sign it ,spam it, pass it on

    http://capwiz.com/gunowners/issues/alert/?alertid=62408466
     
  5. 1stmarine

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    State Supreme Court wants NYS to show good cause that gun law is constitutional!

    State Supreme Court wants NYS to show good cause that gun law is constitutional!


    If you are having trouble viewing this message, go here: http://t.congressweb.com/w/?QGUAYALPGE
    Beginning in January we started calling, emailing, faxing and writing.

    We have called written and emailed at every turn. The SAFE Act still passed.

    The Governor sent out the State Police to sell the SAFE Act with little advance warning.
    We mobilized and attened these Spin Sessions with Standing Room Only!

    We mobilized for County Meetings and the resolutions began passing in county after county.A map of the counties passing resolutions is a deafening statement of how we feel about our friends in Albany and their actions.

    Time and time again we mobilized and rallied but we were constantly ignored or dismissed as what the Media calls the "vocal minority"

    It has been 6 weeks of chaos culminating with a huge rally tomorrow.

    Well there are two breaking stories that offer some good news for all of our efforts.

    1.) Listen to Assembly Representative David DiPeitro on the radio with Tom Bauerle in Buffalo today.

    http://audio.wben.com/a/71558139/bauerle-with-david-dipietro.htm (http://audio.wben.com/a/71558139/bauerle-with-david-dipietro.htm)

    Cuomo will now be hindered by Sheldon Silver,but the courts may give them both a way out.


    2.) New York State has until April 29 to respond or else an injunction will be issued.

    State Supreme Court wants NYS to show good cause that gun law is constitutional

    By NEWSChannel 2 Staff (http://www.wktv.com/news/local/Stat...that-gun-law-is-constitutional-193664911.html)

    Story Created: Feb 27, 2013 at 5:18 PM EST (http://www.wktv.com/news/local/Stat...that-gun-law-is-constitutional-193664911.html)

    Story Updated: Feb 27, 2013 at 5:18 PM EST(http://www.wktv.com/news/local/Stat...that-gun-law-is-constitutional-193664911.html)

    BUFFALO, N.Y. (WKTV) - The Buffalo-based attorney who is spear-heading a lawsuit against Governor Andrew Cuomo's recent gun laws said that Wednesday was "monumental," as a State Supreme Court Justice issued an order requiring New York State to show good cause that the law is constitutional.


    New York State has until April 29 to respond or else an injunction will be issued.

    On Thursday, thousands are expected in Albany to rally against the Governor's gun laws. Many are looking to preserve local jobs at places such as Remington Arms, while others say they are just citizens who feel that their Second Amendments are being infringed upon.

    See you all in Albany tomorrow!

    This is not a victory yet but it is some good news for all of us and we really need some good news.

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    I can identify with it being chaotic

    It's because its a fight.

    It's like Mike Tyson said"

     
  8. 1stmarine

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    Happy St.Patricks Day New York!!!!

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  9. ThorinNNY

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    Looking better (greener) all the time.
     
  10. Tom from WNY

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    I'm beginning to think the time has come for the United States to become 51. For sure, I'd support it.
     
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    Mr. Tresmond needs some likes. Lets give him some likes. Please share all over.


    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Tresmond-Law/149433465214770


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    beginning today. Expect to see our presence in Colorado within the next few days. As always, we will continue to be on the vanguard of Constitutional law and the protection of those rights and freedoms guaranteed by our Constitution and necessary to a scheme of ordered liberty. We will never apologize or back down for defending the right of all innocent Americans to keep and bear
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  12. 1stmarine

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    Nysrpa suit has been filed against cuomo and his gang.

    NYSRPA Suit has been filed!!

    I read the entire suit and it is a solid piece like Mr. Tresmond's one. Even if you are not in NYS I suggest you read it because it provides some very interesting information that can be used in other states
    where the constitution is also being raped as we speak. Feinstein talks about "assault things" and "weapons of war" and all that sensationalist baloney but they are the true criminals using NAZI
    party strategies against honest Americans.

    Like the Tresmond's suit I am not expecting this to stop at the NY State supreme court. Here they all sleep in the same bed but as this moves up there are a few counts that are going to render this law unconstitutional and will be taken down in a federal judgement. So some battles will be lost and it is expected only to win the important ones.

    http://www.nysrpa.org/files/SAFE/NYSRPA-SAFE-Lawsuit.pdf

    Lets pray to God for justice for all.
     
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    I don't do facebook but I'll give him a virtual like here.
     
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    Another letter NY residents may use regarding the SAFE Act

    With the recent issue of the NYSP requesting an Erie County Pistol Permit holder have his permit rescinded and surrender his handguns for the crime of being prescribed anti-anxiety medication by a qualified medical professional; this letter to the members of the Senate and Assembly is appropriate. Since the only legal way to possess a handgun in NY is to have a valid Part 400 license, this pretty much represents a confiscation of private property without due process as well as a blatant attempt to violate a Citizen's civil rights under the color of law.

    Dear
    I urge you to introduce a measure to repeal the NY SAFE Act and reopen the discussion regarding restricting criminal access to firearms, with a goal of designing meaningful laws. Prior to that, there were enough laws to adequately address the issue of illegal firearms usage.

    Recent events regarding the “mistake” made by the New York State Police regarding rescinding a Erie County resident’s Pistol License have only served to convince me and other New York residents that this legislation, conceived in secrecy and voted on without proper debate and commentary by subject matter experts, is so deeply flawed that only a repeal will fix this issue. It is full of technical errors regarding categorizing firearms. It has created expenditures that the State can ill afford to fund, duplicating regulations and systems that are already in place. It usurps the authority of the Courts to determine the issue of Part 400 licenses as required by that legislation. It also imposes penalties that are disproportional to the actual “crime” committed.

    And, now we have seen that one of the cornerstone principles of this act, the Mental Health provisions, is severely flawed and subject to abuse by unqualified persons. If the chain of events regarding the recent attempt to rescind the pistol license of an Erie County resident is true; the actions of the New York State Police amount to effort to deny the civil rights of a law-abiding citizen, who was under treatment by a qualified medical professional, under the color of law. The aftermath appears to be a blaming exercise that is worthy of a group of pre-school age children, yet the accused is still required to expend financial resources to pay an attorney, take time off from his job, and suffer public contempt. Is this what the Government of New York intends for it’s vetted law-abiding Citizens to be exposed to for exercising their Second Amendment rights?

    Most importantly, the SAFE Act has stripped law abiding New York citizen firearms owners of their property rights and criminalized the possession of previously legally owned property. The fact that all but 2 Upstate New York County Legislatures and multiple Towns and Villages have adopted resolutions condemning both the process and the language of the law, along with the New York State Sheriff’s Association, the New York State County Clerk’s Association and the New York State Association of Counties should be evidence that this is bad law and must be repealed.

    Government only is legitimate when it has the respect and trust of the governed Citizens. The SAFE Act, along with recent legislative actions, has eroded this trust and respect to the degree whereby a majority of Citizens of this State no longer believe we are living under a legitimate rule of law made by reasonable persons. Furthermore, the recent actions of the New York State Police have also embarrassed this once premier agency; causing a loss of confidence by the Citizens in it to be a fair and professional Law Enforcement agency. It now appears that the New York State Police have become a political tool of the Governor’s Office.

    We, the Citizens of New York State want our Government to govern with respect for our rights, in a responsible manner, with respect for law and the procedures of a Constitutional Republic. We expect no less of our elected representatives. While I realize you initially voted against the SAFE Act, the work of governance requires continued efforts to represent us. Restoration of that respect would entail introducing measures to repeal the SAFE Act and thoroughly investigate the actions of the State Police with a goal of preventing such abuses from occurring again.

    I only support those elected representatives who support my interests.
     
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    Very nice letter.
    We need to keep sending them and faxes and calls non-stop.
    I am into frying faxing machines and lines from calling every chance I get.
     
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    And from information presented from credible sources on Tom Baurele's program on WBEN this morning, it was more than a blatant attempt.

    More like conspiracy to deprive. Hour 1 of the program:

    http://www.wben.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=6326245

    Hour 2 is positively chilling; I am positively enraged:

    http://www.wben.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=632626

    This is not the United States of America my predecessors defended in WWII. If one Uncle were alive today (and Uncle was an American who believed in right and wrong), well, just what would you think a soldier who served in the 82nd Airborne during the Battle of the Bulge would do?
     
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    So, I go to the link for "Audio 2" and it tells me the "audio is unavailable" ??
     
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    That part of the program was done in a combination of Braille and sign language.
     
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    Tom,
    Many people including myself want this repealed ASAP but IMO the longer this non-sense stays in place the better because the law is so absurd, irrational and arbitrary that severe mistakes will continue to be made like this one.
    This is providing amazing amount of legal ammunition to take this down in the important legal battles.
    So Cuomo is not feeling the heat big time. On on side the political corruption downstate (where the NY hemorrhoids reside) and then this crime against the civil liberties, the state and federal law and the constitution.
    Cuomo and his gang are under investigation now from several ends.
    more to come.
     
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    Just finished reading all of this 1stmarine. It really is a shame what law makers are rolling out. I have not been able to follow all of these changes as intensly as I would like. But I salute you and the other NYS gun owners taking a stand. Wish you guys the best!

    PS there is plenty of room here in TX ;)
     
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    You know it was low and underhanded based solely on the speed in which it was passed. The antis had their bill ready (they always have it ready) and they rammed it through before anyone really had a chance to talk about it.

    As for the guy who was wrongly confiscated...I wonder how long before he gets hist stuff back? Due process?
     
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    NY Governor Cuomo and his illegal Orders.

    Aside from other leaked news here the finally released documents after the NYS fiasco and clear proof of their illegal activities.
    The only way they could know that (read below) at the time was by tapping into the medical records that are protected by federal law. That law that they violated by the Governor and the Police Superintendent.
    Now they subpoenaed medical records which IMO is not technically legal still as there is no evidence so IMO all they are trying to do is to see if this move will cover their tukuses that they
    are going to get hammered in court by the upcoming civil rights suits. Actually the person referred is a man who was on a mild antidepressant and never had any issues with the law and is a honest
    hardworking citizen. His doctor was petrified they actually considered him a threat of any kind. Now everyone is saying this was a big mistake after exposing his personal information, confiscating his
    firearms legally owned, cancelling his pistol permit and making him suffer the consequences of this illegal laws and media circus. Now the County doesn't want to be sued and for a good reason because they
    are going to loose. Please pass along. We need to put this governor and his gang in jail.

    http://www.wben.com/pages/9623354.php?contentType=31&contentId=3044&pid=313528


    http://imgsrv.wben.com/image/wben2/UserFiles/File/GunDocuments.pdf
     
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