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news article compairing us to jihadist fundamentalists

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by dark.zero.x, Jan 3, 2013.

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  1. 1911 guy

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    And that's fine for us to disagree. Notice there's no call from either of us to limit the first amendment freedoms of the other.

    Where I think a large portion of our disagreement comes from is the fact that the cretin who killed both his own grandmother and then several firefighters was even out of prison. I said that a felons rights should be restoed if he were deemed rehabilitated enough to rejoin society. Unfortunately, we have a system now that merely decides how many years or months someone does inside then turns them loose upon society again. Rather than focusing on the intent of incarceration, punishment and rehabilitation, we merely house them. In those conditions, it has become what you describe as 'gladiator school".

    So, to return once again to the original post, how do you suggest dealing with those who hide behind the protections of the Constitution they deem "appropriate" while using the same freedom of speech to call for limitation of certain right of others they deem not appropriate?
     
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    On Fox News they are interviewing a Law professor from Goergetown U. That wants to scrap the constitution. Justice Ginsberg as also said the same. Yesterday Obama said when signing the defense bill that extends legal protection for Army chaplains that believe the Bible is wrong and he opposes it. He thinks they should be forced to marry gays. So much for the first amendment. He also stated he is not bound by the law. We see the crossing of the Rubicon..
    I don't think we need to worry so much about the foreigners or fringe writers. We need to be concerned about mainstream America and our voted leaders sworn to uphold the constitution and trying to destroy it.
     
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  3. Dr.Rob

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    Did any one of you read the SECOND half of that?
     
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    Nice line from the second Op/Ed piece.
     
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    Political tactics straight out of the Chicago Machine.
     
  6. 1911 guy

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    I, for one, did read the second "half". A completely seperate article, chosen to contrast the two views. Well written and thoughtful. Unfortunately, we have become so divided amongst ourselves that defending school kids has been put on the back burner of community discussion. There are even some on this board who advocate no more guns in schools. Thankfully, there are communities and states who have responded in a mature manner and begun programs to educate, train and arm willing participants to keep our kids safer.
     
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    Yes. Twice. Could you elaborate?
     
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    I'm sorry but you rant about constitutional protection of gun rights and then ask this? You use your own first amendment right to counter the arguments you disagree with. The first amendment is not there to protect all speech, no matter how unpopular how much others disagree with. If that's not what it's for there is not point to it.
     
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    Agreed. My own chosen method is to try to get others to see to hypocrisy in it. Unfortunately, we see all too many willing to compromise because some on the left (for lack of a better descriptor) are willing to say untruthful things about gun owners as a group.

    If, however, you are willing to place restriction on gun rights because of a few bad actors, what restrictions are you willing to place on free speech due to deliberate misinformation?
     
  10. yokel

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    To its opponents the NRA can do little or nothing that is right.

    We all know there are many elitist creeps who mendaciously and maliciously or maybe ignorantly portray the NRA as extremist and as an enemy of all that is decent and moderate.

    Not all viewpoints are equal.

    A big part of the reason that we should never compromise is that the forces we are up against have proven time and time again that they are just flat wrong.

    Let's not pretend people who are wrong so often are merely in honest disagreement with us, they may be entitled to their own opinions but when the facts consistently prove them wrong we need to look at those facts above their opinions.

    I've never believed the other side when they claim they're only interested in just one more gun-control law. They ultimately want a total ban on weapons and only make incremental claims to disguise their real aims.

    There is nothing subtle about what's at stake. Whoever has the arms tends to win when it comes to self-defense and doesn't lose life or property. But if the tyrant/criminal has the gun, he has the upper hand.
     
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    Commonly, IMO, folks seem to forget the Preamble to The Bill of Rights (which, IMO, eliminates any hair-splitting about the Second Amendment in particular):

     
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