Next Gen Squad Weapon in 6.8 moving forward in 2021 PB

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  1. Lennyjoe

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    Looks like the .mil is moving forward on the 6.8mm cartridge for the next gen squad weapon. The 2021 Presidential Budget came out with the folllowing actions for 2021:

    FY 2021 Program: Other Transaction Agreements (OTAs) contracts were awarded in August
    2019 to Textron, General Dynamics and Sig Sauer to submit their prototype candidate rifle,
    automatic rifle and 6.8mm common cartridge. In FY 2021, funding will be used to: 1) complete
    rapid prototyping efforts for the rifle, automatic rifle and General Purpose (GP) ammunition;
    2) deliver test hardware; 3) execute prototype testing including technical testing and Soldier Touch
    Points; 4) develop a request for production proposals; and 5) review proposals leading to a down select from three vendors to one for production. Additionally, FY 2021 funding supports the
    continuing development and fabrication of the GP, RR, SP, and tracer projectiles ammunition
    variants. The down-selected vendor will integrate the Army provided RR, SP, and tracer
    projectiles into their 6.8mm cartridge, and develop a blank cartridge with associated weapon
    adaption kit. These cartridge types are required to support the fielding and training of the rifle and
    automatic rifle weapons to the close combat force.

    Thought I'd update the group here since it was last talked about here in Aug of last year.
     
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    Can you translate for us non military guys?
     
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    The President’s budget is a wishlist. It doesn’t mean anything, unless Congress adopts a budget specifically authorizing the expenditure, a wish is all it will remain.
     
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    Only when Lake City starts loading and shipping a billion rounds will any new proposed cartridge be real. Until then, it's all conjecture and platitudes.
     
  5. Lennyjoe

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    Wish list yes but unless Congress changes it, the wish will go forward
     
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    That's not how it works.

    The President has no budgetary power. Congress passes budgets (or not, as the case may be) and makes authorizations for spending. Unless Congress authorizes the Pentagon's budget request, it will not go forward.
     
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    This seems like it is still a long way off from adoption and then production. Don't think I will be jumping into the 6.8 realm until this becomes a little more concrete.
     
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    Yes I know. 4 years in Acquisitions taught me that
     
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  9. Lennyjoe

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    I built a 6.8 SPC AR and it shot great. Actually enjoyed reloading for that caliber.
     
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    The 6.8 SPC is different than what the military is wanting to switch to. From what I have read, the new cartridge/s is going to be the same overall length as the current 7.62x51/308 round.
     
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    There already was a working prototype m249 6.8 SPC with video of military trying it out on targets and cinder blocks. This happened back in 2013-2014.

     
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    Interested to see how this all pans out. Army has been talking about this for a long while.
     
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    I've been shooting the Hornady Black 6.8 and it seems pretty hot in my rifle. Pretty happy with it.
     
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    Here is a decent article about the new round developed by Sig and rifles squad automatic weapons. Sig's round is definitely same length as the 308. They made the neck shorter so that the higher pressure round can't be chambered in a 308 rifle.

    http://soldiersystems.net/2019/05/23/sofic-19-sig-sauer-exhibits-next-gen-squad-weapons/

    Another article talking about the ammunition. Sig's 277 Fury runs at 80,000psi versus 60,000 psi of the 308.

    https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/277-sig-fury-demystified/

    The Sig 227 Fury is the middle round, 6.5CM on left and 308 on right
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    230RN The fix is in, folks. The fix is in.

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    This crotchety old coot guesses that some small contingent of mils within the mil are starting to be heard regarding the inadequacy of the varmint cartridge the mil has been using for 55+ years and have been trying to soup up for 54+ years with no real success .
    >:D

    "Terry, cut it out. you've been saying that for decades."

    Yeah, I know, but nobody ever listens to me anyhow.

    "Yeah, that's true for sure.".

    :rofl:

    Terry, 230RN
     
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    Once they replace the basic rifleman's rifle with something in a larger caliber than 5.56, then I'll get excited.
     
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    According to the soldiersystems.net article I linked in my last post, they are looking at replacing the M4 with a new rifle that shoots the 6.8x51 round.
     
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    I'll believe it when my son says, "Dad we are geting our new machine guns tomorow." B-1-505
     
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    Too premature to place your belief in a weapons system change, better correct that to "Dad I'm holding my new issued machine gun."
     
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    I was staring at my walls and this thread came to mind. It seems like there has been another thread where someone wrote "the British were right!" Anyway, here is another pic just for comparison.

    From left to right, 5.56 NATO, 280/30 British, 6.8 SPC, then a 7.62 NATO.

    IMG_20200421_203021903~2.jpg

    The ballistics of the 280 are supposed to be very similar to the 7mm BR. It would be interesting to see those cartridges in a side by side shoot off.
     
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    The last deer I killed with my 6.8 was appalled that I had shot it with a cartridge that had yet to be adopted by the military; actually, I don’t think it really cared.
     
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    Does this mean we might get a new selection of bullets for the .270 Winchester? That would be nice.
     
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    It is the Army way of awarding trial contracts. d will have a period of time to develop prototypes of the ammo and its variations. Those submissions will be evaluated by actual fiele and lab testing. Then a will be awarded to one of the awardees for production of the ammo to be used for extensive testing by troops. After the bugs are worked out a production contract will be issued and the Army will have an official new round. MY guess is that the process will take three years, as will development of the new Army battle rifle.

    The Marines went to the M27 for infantry because it did not want to wait that long for a M4 et al replacement.
     
  24. lemaymiami

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    I suspect we'll all be reading and talking about this for some years before anything actually comes on line - but at least they're trying...
    If I were a gambler I'd think it's a pretty sure bet that our young-uns will go to war again - before that new squad weapon comes on line and is actually in their hands.
     
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    This is being driven by the ubiquity of lightweight level IV+ body armor appearing worldwide.
     
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