Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Next Generation Assault Rifle

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Number 6, Jun 28, 2003.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Number 6

    Number 6 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2003
    Messages:
    828
    Next Generation Assualt Rifle

    http://world.guns.ru/assault/as61-e.htm

    I just came across this article. I know the author of the site is a THR member. This is the first I have heard about this project and it seems pretty interesting.
     
  2. Gewehr98

    Gewehr98 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    5,988
    Yup, that's got H&K plastered all over it!

    So H&K will have to build a U.S. plant in order to win the contract?

    Composite cased ammo and plastic construction, so it's 20% lighter than the current M4A1. Dunno if that's gonna be enough of an improvement to justify the extra logistics tail...
     
  3. max popenker

    max popenker Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2002
    Messages:
    1,111
    Location:
    Russia
    well, they will made it "compatible" with the mighty XM-29 OICW. And, i thought tha the HK already has his factory in US, or am i wrong?

    the SIG, Beretta and FN already made guns in USA, so why not HK? It seems that soon all US infantry will cary completely non-US guns (Beretta M9, FN M240, FN M249, FN Mk.48.. now the HK XM8 and HK XM29..) :cool:
     
  4. Gewehr98

    Gewehr98 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    5,988
    Max, you forgot one...

    FN-made M16A2. (As issued to me during my deployment earlier this year.)
     
  5. Glock Glockler

    Glock Glockler Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    1,279
    Location:
    Southern NH
    I'd be very apprehensive about taking one into battle. The barrel looks pretty short, and the 5.56 needs all the barrel length it can get to build velocity. The gun also lacks Iron sights, which should be a backup on any combat arm. The stock also looks flimsy, which isn't as much of a priority these days, but I think that the buttstock should also have the capacity to act as an impact weapon (Think G3 here)
     
  6. Kaylee

    Kaylee Moderator

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2002
    Messages:
    3,749
    Location:
    The Last Homely House
    Interesting that the collapsing stock "workaround" for not being able to fold the AR stock due to the buffer tube has now become standard to the point of keeping it, even when not necessary. Wierd.

    Presuming it was massaged enough to have stock flip-up irons, it doesn't look a BAD choice.. just not one that offers enough new to justify turning the whole inventory upside down.. kinda like the 1903/1917 situtation I'd guess.

    -K
     
  7. Glock Glockler

    Glock Glockler Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    1,279
    Location:
    Southern NH
    There's still the issue of barrel length, which they're probably trying to keep short for CQB and weight purposes, though I wonder if such a system would allow for changing out the upper depending on the mission.

    Kaylee, I tried to PM you but you mailbox is full. Hmmm, that does make for a very effective anti-Glockler tactic:)
     
  8. Andrew

    Andrew Member

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2002
    Messages:
    25
    Location:
    Missouri
  9. Andrew Wyatt

    Andrew Wyatt Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2002
    Messages:
    4,468
    Location:
    Bakersfield, California
    they should ditch that scope in favor of an acog, and make that rail much lower.


    a little more barrel length would be nice, and the flash hider needs to have enclosed prongs.
     
  10. George Hill

    George Hill Member

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2002
    Messages:
    6,842
    Location:
    Uintah Basin, UT
    Hmmm... not bad. If they made it in .300 Whisper - It would be great.
     
  11. Andrew Wyatt

    Andrew Wyatt Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2002
    Messages:
    4,468
    Location:
    Bakersfield, California

    It'd also have the trajectory of a pumpkin.
     
  12. Slater

    Slater Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2003
    Messages:
    1,129
    Location:
    Flagstaff AZ
    No bayonet lug is evident. No need for that particular accessory on this weapon?
     
  13. Jumbo

    Jumbo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2003
    Messages:
    2
    You don't need to worry about foreign rifles because the US Army already has a second and third generation prototype of a hybrid M-16/20mm grenade launcher. It's already in the second or third generation prototype, pretty much perfected. All they're doing now is trying to reduce the weight. It's scheduled to go into service in either 2008 or 2010. It's being developed by a company in the Midwest.
     
  14. Triad

    Triad Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2002
    Messages:
    810
    Location:
    Texas
    Jumbo, that rifle/grenade launcher you're talking about is foreign. They call it the XM29 and the rifle portion is not based upon the M16, it is a form of the HK G36.
     
  15. seeker_two

    seeker_two Member

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2002
    Messages:
    3,616
    Location:
    Deep in the Heart of the Lone Star State (TX)
    Plastic cartridge cases....:scrutiny:
     
  16. GhostShooter

    GhostShooter Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    106
    Ok, since one of you mentioned the XM29 this has to be said. That is one of the ugliest rifles ever created:p

    [​IMG]
     
  17. Destructo6

    Destructo6 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2003
    Messages:
    1,998
    Location:
    Tucson, AZ
    Kaylee, maybe the military has discovered that have a multi-position telescopic stock helps shooters get the right pull while wearing a variety of gear. That's not to mention the smaller shooters.

    All of those XM8 images I've seen so far appear to be 3D CAD drawings.

    Is the XM29 an ugly rifle or an automatic grenade launcher with a back-up weapon attached (the rifle)?
     
  18. Triad

    Triad Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2002
    Messages:
    810
    Location:
    Texas
    The XM29 is an ugly automatic grenade launcher with a back up attached.
     
  19. BlkHawk73

    BlkHawk73 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2003
    Messages:
    2,365
    Location:
    Maine
    I believe Hk made mention of building an American production facility at SHOT Show 2003. I also believe it has only been mentioned that it will initially be for police/military models. There's A LOT of people hoping to see them have 91/93 series rifles come out of this facility also.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page