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Next purchase: #4 SMLE vs. M38 M-N

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by seeker_two, Feb 6, 2006.

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#4 SMLE vs. M-38 M-N

  1. #4 SMLE

    18 vote(s)
    72.0%
  2. M-38 M-N

    7 vote(s)
    28.0%
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  1. seeker_two

    seeker_two Member

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    I'm thinking about getting a good milsurp rifle to keep as an iron-sight, lightweight "fightin' carbine" and occasional brush-hunting rifle. I already have a sporterized, scoped SMLE #1Mk III*, and I want my next rifle to stay as close to stock as possible. Plus, since I already handload for this rifle, I want to use as many similar components (.310-.312" bullets, powder, primers) as possible. So I've narrowed my choices down to these two...

    Points of interest....

    #4 SMLE:

    Already familiar w/ its operations.
    Already load this caliber.
    10-round capacity vs. 5 rounds.
    Great sight system (esp. w/ the ladder-type adjustable peep).
    Bolt already turned down (if I ever decide to scope)
    Butter-smooth action.
    Factory hunting soft-points readily available in most areas.


    M-38:

    Shorter & lighter than SMLE.
    Non-detachable mag = no mag to lose.
    Can use same components as SMLE (except cases, of course).
    Stronger action than SMLE.
    Less expensive than SMLE.
    Inexpensive ammo available for days I don't want to reload.
    I don't have one yet... :D

    So, which should I choose?....
     
  2. Ian

    Ian Member

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    The Enfield. The sight are better, the trigger will almost certainly be better, it'll load from clips more easily, and the action is smoother and way faster to operate.

    I have a No4 Enfield, and there's no way I would swap it for an M38.
     
  3. Cosmoline

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    Most of the M-38's out there saw the rough end of WWII and got counterbored and had their rifling re-cut to a wider bore. They don't tend to be anywhere near as accurate as the mint M-44's and I wouldn't get one without being able to hand inspect it first.

    I'd suggest grabbing a Polish M-44 if you want a Mosin carbine.
     
  4. Hazwaste

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    M-38

    Ammo's much cheaper.
     
  5. DougW

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    #4mk1's for me. Actually, any Enfield will work for me.
     
  6. M.E.Eldridge

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    Get both. They are cheap enough. Failing that I would buy the M38 or preferably, an M44. Mind this though, surplus ammo for the M44 has a stout kick to it, much more than any Enfield rifle I have shot(including my No.4).For hunting I don't think you would have to worry, there will be too much adrenaline to feel it or at least that's what happens to me when I shoot 3" deer slugs or 3 1/2" shells from a 12 gauge.
     
  7. cslinger

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    No question, the Enfield is the better gun by far and will most certainly be more fun to shoot. The action is just ohhh so right. It's kind of like a really good transmission. The Mosin, while I own one and enjoy, is much more shall we say utilitarian. :scrutiny:
     
  8. swingset

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    This is akin to choosing an ugly, irritating woman because she's cheaper to feed.

    No brainer, I'll take the looker with good taste in chow. No4 for me, thanks.
     
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  10. cracked butt

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    I voted for the No4 once because it wouldn't let me vote 10 times;)

    The No4 is a far far better rifle in just about every way.
     
  11. rbernie
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    +1.
     
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