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NFA Weapons

Discussion in 'Legal' started by 30mag, Nov 30, 2008.

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  1. 30mag

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    So, I'm 18...
    Can I own a title II firearm?
     
  2. PTK

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    Yes, absolutely. Can't buy them from dealers, though! Odd laws, really....

    I ended up submitting Form 1s starting at age 19, I believe - everything went through. I've had a SBR PS90 since age 20, also on a Form 1.
     
  3. 30mag

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    So, I need an FFL, right?

    And how do I begin my journey to title II firearms?
     
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    Don't need an FFL.

    You need to either find someone in your state with a NFA firearm that is willing to transfer it to you

    OR

    It's probably easier to manufacture one by submitting a Form 1 to the ATF and getting a tax stamp.

    What type of NFA firearm are you trying to get?
     
  5. WardenWolf

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    I would wait. Because I suspect ownership of NFA weapons might be coming to an end as we know it with Obama in power. The whole purpose of the NFA is to track and control restricted weapons, so that if it's ever deemed necessary they can all be rounded up and destroyed. Effectively it's designed so they can say, "Look, we tried this, it isn't working. Turn them in."

    You could no more than get your NFA weapon, after having paid a LOT of money for it, and be ordered to surrender it.
     
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    Except that it's a tax stamp. A tax that you already paid. The legislature would have to pass a bill either adding more taxes or making NFA firearms illegal to possess.

    The ATF can't just 'recall' all the NFA firearms...
     
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    That makes very little sense frankly. Even during all the previous bans and proposed bans there has never been any talk or attempt to remove the NFA or change it in any way.

    This kind of thing does not get attention and attention is all the anti crown wants.

    NFA as it exists today, in it's neutered form, is likely in very little danger.

    As mentioned, these are tax laws and much more difficult to mess with. NFA is niche stuff, it doesn't get any attention.
     
  8. 30mag

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    Umm.. I don't really know what I want..
    I think an automatic something would be cool. Awfully expensive though, right? Maybe a SBS.


    What do you have to do to obtain a title II weapon?
    Transfer tax and register? I thought there was something more.

    Talk to me more about a form 1.
     
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    A Form 1 is an application to "make" and register a firearm. Typically, you use it to "make" a SBR or SBS.

    You could go into most gun stores, buy a rifle or shotgun, and bring it home. Then you would fill out the Form 1, pay a $200 tax, either form a trust or get a CLEO sign off, get your fingerprints and photo done (not necessary with the Trust route), and mail it all to the ATF. It sounds like a lot of work, but really it is just filling out paperwork and waiting.

    When they send your paperwork back to you, you can then proceed to "make" you SBS or SBR, by putting a shorter barrel on it. You'll probably need to engrave your name and hometown on the gun as well, since you've technically "made" a new gun, although this gets debated a lot.
     
  10. 30mag

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    So, how would I go about buying a NFA firearm from the factory?
     
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    You can't. Unless you're LEO or military, there haven't been any new NFA weapons (full-auto, that is) available since 1986.

    That said, you can buy new suppressors (silencers) and factory-new SBS's (serbu super-shorty, for example) and SBR's.

    And for those (suppressors, factory-new SBS's & SBR's) you'd still need to fill out the proper forms, pay the requisite fees, and enlist the services of a FFL capable of handling Class III/Title II transfers.
     
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    impactguns has some NFA transferrables available - provided you go through the proper procedures. Expect to pay $$$$$$ for it though.
     
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    also - it's worth mentioning that it largely depends on where you live, and whether or not you can get someone of authority to sign off for you. I believe you have to have sign-off from a Chief Law Enforcement Officer (CLEO) stating that you have no known outstanding warrants, and there is no standing legal reason as to why you could not own one. Whether or not they choose to sign is entirely up to them. They are under no obligation to do so, even if there is no legal prohibition against your ownership in your state.
     
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    Which is where the Trust comes into play.
     
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    Well, I live in a small rural town in Texas.

    No new civvy autos since 1984? So, does this mean there will forever be a dwindling supply of automatics in the civilian market?

    I kinda want an auto...
    But, I think an SBS would be more useful... like a coach gun...
     
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    Wow.. that automatic thing kind of disturbs me...
    Outlawing the manufacture of firearms isn't really a violation of the second amendment.
    That REALLY bothers me.
     
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    It doesn't outlaw the manufacture of new full autos.
    It outlaws the transfer of full autos that were registered after May 19th 1986.
     
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    Am I understanding this correctly? I'm 20 (21 this coming august). Can I go submit a form 1 to build a silencer or SBR/S right now? What about transferring a silencer from either a dealer or individual?
     
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    Ok, I don't understand about the full auto thing.. what is the deal with 1986?
     
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    Is there any way I could get a brand-new machine gun?
    Without being the US government or a LEO.... of course.
    What about conversions to full auto? Is it completely illegal?
     
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    Not if you want to stay in the US.

    Yes. It gets confusing, but Yes. If you buy a registered sear, that part is considered a registered machine gun. They are very expensive. You could then use that registered sear to "convert" a semi into an auto. Since they haven't been able to make registered sears for the general public since 1986, there is a limited supply, and they cost many thousands of dollars.
     
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    Here is a little lesson on gun law, but it is only worth the paper it is printed (figuratively) on. In 1934 the National Firearms Act http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act was passed. It regulated machine guns, short barreled rifles/shotguns, silencers, destructive devices and gadget guns (Any of Weapon ie, AOW). It required that all of these guns be registered and a $200 ($5 for AOW’s when transferred) be paid when transferred or made by unlicensed civilians. It also required your sheriff sign the forms unless a trust was used to own it.

    The Firearms Owner Protection Act http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act provided for certain protections for gun owners, but also had the Hughes Amendment tacked onto it. This amendment banned the civilian ownership or transfer of any fully-automatic weapon which was not registered by May 19, 1986.

    The only way for you to legally own a new machine gun is to get an FFL and pay the Special Occupational Tax (SOT), class 1 to import, class 2 to manufacture, class 3 to deal. The SOT class of tax is one reason why people call machine guns and other weapons controlled by the NFA class 2 or class 3 weapons. Other people call them title ii (2) weapons because this is the name of the paragraph in the law that controls them. FFL/SOT’s do not pay the $200 transfer tax when shipping between each other or when they make an NFA weapon. But it is their business that owns the weapons, not the person who is licensed. The SOT is a minimum of $500 a year. The FFL is $200 for three years. Hope this helps.

    Ranb
     
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    Wow I just stumbled across this...So I'm almost 20 years old, I can buy assault weapons, rifles, shotguns, fully automatic weapons(If I read correctly), and I can give my life for my country, but I can't legally buy a handgun or alcohol yet. What the hell is wrong with this picture?
     
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