NH: Activist open carries into cop-shop

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  1. DadaOrwell2

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  2. rondog

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    Let's see him try it alone without the entourage and cameras.
     
  3. NavyLCDR

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    We don't have that problem in Washington. State law says firearms MUST be allowed in Police Departments except in areas secured for the processing/holding of prisoners. It's a combination of RCW 9.41.290 (preemption) and 9.41.300 (prohibited places). I've open carried into Washington State Trooper locations to obtain an accident report with nothing said and nobody cared.
     
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    Im trying to keep it highroad......I open carry the majority of the time and this makes me cringe. First im suprised they didnt boot him out of the lobby. Virtually every police station I've heard of has a no gun posting. Second I think this paints oc'ers as passive aggressive. You dont need a posse of cameras. Take you carry camera or mic, and do what you gotta do. his goal was to retrieve and inflame. Not highroad imo
     
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    It would be illegal in Washington state for a police station to have a "no guns" posting. :D There are some things I love about this state!
     
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    Well put...
     
  7. Sam1911

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    Cool, I guess. Not sure what the big fuss is, exactly... I mean, if he can carry it concealed there, why does a bit of cloth draped over it matter?

    Guess it's a perception thing. I've certainly carried in police stations before and wasn't struck by any out-of-the-ordinary urges to commit mayhem.

    Guns aren't a big worry, but I think cameras make people jumpy and nervous.
     
  8. Owen Sparks

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    It is either legal or it is not. What do cameras have to do with it?
     
  9. Kendal Black

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    Some Juliet on the balcony insisting on making a point. The cover cop looked bored out of his mind.
     
  10. razorback2003

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    I've carried my gun at a PD in Tennessee but we all need permits to carry. My gun was concealed. I don't know why this was televised if it is not illegal to carry in a PD in New Hampshire.
     
  11. Owen Sparks

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    I may be mistaken but I think open cary on public property is legal in NH but concealed carry requires a permit? Last year a bunch of liberty activists wore pistols into the state house. What this guy did was probably technically legal.
     
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    Either its legal or isn't.

    If he didn't break a law, nothing to see here, move on?
     
  13. Mike1234567

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    Yeah, depending on circumstances, getting shot by cameras CAN hurt more than being shot with a bullet.;)
     
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    Seems to be looking for attention if you ask me.
     
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    In UnionTown WA they have posted the town hall/library, there is a single jail cell behind the library, however there is a common hallway for the building, IIRC they cannot post the building because of that fact.
     
  16. FIVETWOSEVEN

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    More like they mess up, they are then all over the news.
     
  17. Mike1234567

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    ^^^ My point, precisely.
     
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    Speaking from a LEO perspective , the cameras make me more uncomfortable than the OC firearm lol. (And no ... I don't have a good reason for it .. just hate cameras and being on them ) I've had numerous interactions with armed (openly and concealed) individuals, and in most instances found them to go without incident.
     
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    YouTube removed the video. Anyone have a brief summary of what happened?
     
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    I was going to ask why he had the posse and cameras in the first place. As you pointed out, I'd be inclined to think it was intended as a stunt - sort of a "I've got you on tape, I can walk all over you and you won't do anything about it" type of thing.

    This type of stuff really gets to me, more than almost anything else. I can honestly say many of the biggest jerks I've ever met also had problems with authority. On the other hand, every cop I've ever gotten to know was a very respectful, polite person who genuinely cared about helping people. Are there exceptions to the rule? Yes, just like with everything else, but that's all they are; exceptions, not the rule.
     
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    In NH, the only prohibited place is a Courthouse. The statehouse had banned guns for a few months or so, until all the protests caused them to overturn the ruling.

    Loaded open carry is legal throughout the state without a permit, and signs have no backing of law, the worst you can get hit with is a trespassing if you refuse to leave after they ask. You cannot open carry in a vehicle without a permit. (Any carry in a vehicle is considered concealed in NH). Then again, the permit is only $10, lasts 5 years, and is MUST issue within 14 days of applying, unless they can prove you're prohibited.

    I have open carried into my local PD on more than one occasion, and they don't even bat an eyelash.

    Live free or die.
     
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    I must also state, although I didn't see the video (it was removed), that the most likely reason this activist did this was because of an incident a year or two ago. Manchester PD is well known for not knowing the firearms laws (or lack thereof) in the area, and detained a man open carrying in a book store. A Massachusetts resident called the police after seeing a man with a pistol holstered IWB.

    The police cuffed him, brought him outside, removed his firearm, and questioned him for a period of time. After contacting the station, they realized they were in error, and returned his pistol and released him.

    Since that incident made the local news, there have been many more people open carrying in Manchester, and a lot of them carrying cameras.

    There are a LOT of 2nd amendment activists in NH, and lots of them like to videotape :p
     
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    I don't know what led up to this, but was he not there with a court order to retrieve his cell phone? I'm going to guess his phone/camera was confiscated under questionable circumstances in an earlier encounter.

    I've seen a number of this group's videos-rather than inflaming, it seems to me they're exercising their legal rights and also desensitizing the general public, which does not know their rights (they've had neighborhood trash pick-up days while OCing).

    I remember one particular video where he was 100% right/legal, but was still given some lip 'bout OCing. It took the cop's supervisor to arrive onscene and take the LEO off to the side to have a talk with him in order to wrap up the (non) situation.

    I'm assuming the 'posse' was taken as there is strength in numbers-mebbe he just wanted witnesses in case there was a problem having the court order honored?
     
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    My understanding with my local Police Chief is that he denys permits to those under 21 and I'm only 18. I haven't heard this directly from him, just a dispatcher, but I do have a friend that recently became a Police Officer in that department that I was going to have him ask for me and possibly provide a reference.
     
  25. basicblur

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    Well that was pretty wimpy of YouTube!

    I wonder what YouTube 'terms of service' this video violated?

    Other than possibly the ad? running before/after the video (within the video), I saw nothing that could possibly warrant its removal-I thought it rather educational.

    Mebbe YouTube doesn't allow ads running within videos, but I've seen plenty of company videos that were nothing but one long infomercial!
     
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