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Nice Buck Found Dead

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by 35 Whelen, Dec 3, 2011.

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  1. 35 Whelen

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    A buddy of mine was gathering cattle a few weeks ago when he found this buck. It was near the end of archery season so I suspect it's another deer lost to bowhunting.:cuss: Coyotes had already gotten most of it.

    Looks like 15 points.

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  2. Frozen North

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  3. Sport45

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    Too bad about that one.

    Could it have been a vehicle strike, or a poacher with a .22lr?

    On the other hand, jumping to conclusions is good exercise. :)
     
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    worth mounting
     
  5. Frozen North

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    We found the victim of a lightning strike a few years ago... deer die from other things than people.
     
  6. 12gaugeTim

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    That's a nice rack.
    I was looking for squirrels to shoot in the woods today and I heard a crash to my right. I look over and it's a small doe, wallowing in the creek, something they often do after being shot. I froze because I didn't want to scare it off, and it hopped up and ran right by me, only 10 feet away. I saw the blood on it's mouth and figured it had been shot or hit by a car. Had I known it was injured I might would've tried to shoot it in the head.. There's a good chance it's still suffering at this very moment.
     
  7. 35 Whelen

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    The buddy who found him was gathering cattle...and they ain't no roads where he was and we've been in the throes of a drought. A lightening strike probably would've started a range fire.

    I was thinking more along the lines of space aliens shooting 17 HMR's...:D

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  8. Sport45

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    Hey, you're free to believe whatever you want.

    And I'm free to believe you maligned bowhunters without a fair trial. :)
     
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    I've found several nice bucks this year in the woods. Some were skinned, meat and horns still there, some were just shot and horns taken, left there for the critters. If you're going to shoot an illegal deer, you may as well take the meat and use it for some good.
     
  10. Sport45

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    Is there a market for the horns?

    It's too bad there aren't enough hunters with scruples or enough F&G officers out there to catch the ones that don't have scruples.

    But, of course, I shouldn't call those who do what was described above "hunters".

    I'll qualify what I've said by stating that I am not a hunter. In my youth I shot a lot of critters that in retrospect I shouldn't have. I'll shoot the occasional rabbit that decides it has more rights to my garden than me, but that's not hunting as much as pest control.
     
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    I agree on the bowhunters where i hunt they waste many a elk every year. :fire: like last year a cousin shot a bull with an arrow still stuck in its neck, or my grandpa shot a cow that had a old broad head with some shaft still sticking out all festered up on the cow in its spine, and i cant tell how many dead elk and deer ive found with arrows in the carcass or laying in the dirt with bones.
     
  12. sixgunner455

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    Or the coyotes could have killed it themselves. Happens, even though it might not be often on a healthy, mature animal. Or a lion could have done it. Most stuff, when it dies, is meat for something else, no matter how it dies.
     
  13. 35 Whelen

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    You're probably right and I guess that's a little unfair. I've developed a somewhat bad attitude towards some bowhunters, and I don't mean that towards all bowhunters. But every year I hear story after story of deer being lost to bowhunters.
    A couple of weeks ago I was talking to a neighbor and he told me his uncle (also a neighbor) and his uncles 11 year old son had hit and lost five deer, including a 10 point buck, during bow season. Another friends son, an ardent bowhunter who uses his bow all the way through rifle season, usually loses one or two animals a year be it deer, hogs or turkey. Another buddies wife stuck a hog and that poor thing walked around for weeks with an arrow sticking out of its back. They even had pictures of it taken with their game camera. Anyhow, I digress....

    I feel it was likely shot and lost during bow season for a few reasons.
    In the state of Texas trespassing/poaching and killing game can now be charged as a felony. A game warden told one of our Hunter Education classes that when convicted of felony poaching a hunter loses EVERYTHING that pertains to hunting including firearms, knives, binoculars, etc. As such, incidents of poaching here are way down. Guys I know that used to drive the roads looking for quail to pot shoot or a deer to take off a remote wheat field wouldn't dream of it anymore. Yes, poaching still exists but not anywhere near on the level it did 20 years ago.
    Occassionally stories and perhaps a game-cam picture of a mountain lion will show up around here but that's a pretty rare occurrence. Mountain lions cover what they don't eat and this wasn't covered.
    Coyotes? Highly unlikely unless the buck was on his deathbed. This area is fraught with coyotes, but I've seen them in the presence of deer and the deer don't give them so much as a second glance.
    Anyhow, whatever got it, what a shame.

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    It could well have been a bowhunter, not saying it wasn't. It's just that we don't know for sure.

    By the same token, I suppose if archery season followed rifle season there would be bow hunters complaining about all the wounded animals they see. Since there are more rifle hunters with about the same range of experience between the two groups it stands to reason the rifle hunters loose as many animals. It's just there aren't a lot of people left scouring the woods after rifle season.

    It's a shame either way that fine animals go to waste for whatever reason. If only they could all be cleanly killed and the meat put to good use.
     
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    My dad found two dead bucks once while quail hunting. They'd been fighting and their antlers were locked so tightly together you couldn't even wiggle them. I don't remember the # of points, but they were pretty big boys. I think one of my brothers still has those antlers, dad sawed them off the skulls.
     
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    You know, it just occurred to me that most people probably don't know what "gathering cattle" means. When someone is gathering cattle, it means they're horseback likely because they're in an area that doesn't have many roads. That's why I think it's unlikely the buck was poached.

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  17. Rembrandt

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    While in a sporting goods store the other day I met a fellow bow hunter who was telling me about his season so far......he's arrowed a 140, 150, and 160 class bucks, but has failed to recover any. Had all kinds of excuses why they didn't drop on the spot. Guys like this should be relegated to animals more befitting their skill level, like barnyard critters that give them more than one shot opportunities....perhaps goats, sheep or feeder pigs.

    While shotgun deer hunting yesterday I found a dead 10 point that the coyotes had been feeding on.....along with an arrow in the carcass. Too bad American archery hunters are not required to pass a proficiency test like European hunters do.....
     
  18. Ankeny

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    Same could be said about firearms. FWIW, I hunted with a bow for many years, but I gave it up because of the disproportionate loss of animals in comparison to firearms (myself and others).
     
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    The main difference in a bad shot with a firearm and a bad shot with an arrow is that with a firearm there's much larger margin for error. For example if a broadside shot on a deer with a reasonable rifle goes a little high, above the lungs yet below the spine, the deer is likely going to go down on the spot, at least in my experience. I really appreciate the candor of people like Ankeny.

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  20. sixgunner455

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    Game camera shows coyotes killing buck.

    I agree that it's probably unlikely, and not common, but I've seen coyotes chasing a doe, and the game camera slide show above is graphic evidence that they will kill whatever they can get away with.

    I love archery, I love making arrows and relaxing with my kids in the yard quietly shooting targets, but I don't hunt that way. I've seen too many things that make it something that I don't think I'd care to do. I know that archery can be very effective, and is probably the only safe way to harvest urban deer, but ... unless I were in one of those urban areas with plague-like infestation of deer, I don't think I'd do archery on deer.

    Hard to say what killed that buck, without being able to examine the kill site.
     
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    im sure there is probably alot more deer that has been lost when shot with a firearm than a bow it can happen with either one.
     
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    In terms of recovery I'd bet the rate in a State such as mine with extremely heavy vegetation is less than 20%. Even using tracking dogs can be a losing issue if the area has a lot of game. Had a friend wound and lose two deer in one morning hunt prior to getting me to bring a really good bluetic tracker..........total waste of time, deer will hit water or really heavy palmetto clumps that're occupied mostly by buzz tails.

    I truly believe that folks would be really shocked if any real figures as to recovery could be made, but thats an impossibility.
     
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    Here in Jersey, your required to shoot 3 or 5 arrows at a target 25 yards away and at least more than half into the kill zone of a deer target to get an archery hunting license. I must say, the only dead deer I see are ones hit by cars on the side of the road. This was a year ago when I breezed through the booklet just to see what you had to do... It really gets to me when people are okay with being completely irresponsible about this stuff.
     
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    Although that is not a bad idea I don't know what all it tells you. Most bow shooters who have been doing it for a while will tear their fletchens off standing on the ground shooting groups at 25 yards repeatedly.

    But, deer don't stand still, let you get in the position you like, and wait for the arrow to get there after they here the bow snap.

    I think a lot of guys think because they can shoot saucer sized groups at 40 yards they can kill a deer at that distance. Hell, a deer can move several feet in the time it takes an arrow to travel 40 yards. Unfortunately arrows don't travel faster than the speed of sound.
     
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    Probably not. While things were dry here, when conditions produced lightning, very few of the strikes caused fires relative to the number of strikes that occurred.

    You know, some of the best places to poach are extremely remote locations where the poachers have the least chance of being spotted or encountering another human. While the nearest road may be quite distant, many poachers use various forms of motorized transport from trucks to ATVs.

     
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