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Nitrated paper cartridges

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by Thecrazedorganist, Sep 11, 2009.

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  1. Thecrazedorganist

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  3. BHP FAN

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    I make mine from Top or Bugler cigarette papers.
     
  4. Ginormous

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    As do I. Only the finest rice papers for my babies!

    Tip: a little dab of nitrocellulose lacquer on the ends keeps things nice and tight. Make your own NC lacquer by dissolving a single base smokeless powder in a small amount of acetone. IMR 4227 works for me.

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    BTW, it takes a bit to get used the odd feeling that occurs when you walk into a "smoke" shop and buy cigarette papers. :D
     
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    would feel guilty about walking into a smoke shop to buy Cigarette papers , its called Paranoia :D , comes from smoking Dope , but I wouldn't know that , the cashier never asked me what I used them for :D.

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    What do yall recommend using for a dowel to wrap the paper around?
     
  7. Ginormous

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    I use a 7/16" brass tube. The final fit is fine in an .45 caliber cylinder.
     
  8. Thecrazedorganist

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    Excellent. This is going to make hunting SO much more enjoyable. Now if I could just convince my wife to let me cast conicals right here in the apartment... (though I hear lead poisoning is pretty unfun) :p
     
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    On the Kitchen Stove, just run the Vent Hood Fan...(Lol...well, might stink things up even still...)


    I used to do it in front of a Fireplace...used the Fire to Melt the Lead in a Bean Can I'd crimped a little pouring 'beak' into...the fumes all went up the Chimney, and any Casting odors were pulled in by the Fire's Draw...very tidy...Cast the Bullets right there on the Hearth...very 'positive' ventilation.
     
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    I make my own Nitrated paper using phonebook pages...in my kitchen under the vented hood :O)

    KO3 Potassium Nitrate(99-100%) Oxidizer 5.1
     
  11. Thecrazedorganist

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    So it's straight up KN03? A quick glance at wikipedia says the melting point is 334 °C. That's a hot stove!
     
  12. bigbadgun

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    Gin I do the same thing for my paper carts. A little smokeless powder desolved in acetone and coat the papers with and you get no paper residue or left overs after firing.
    very clean burn papers.
     
  13. Ginormous

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    I think the term "nitrated papers" can mean several things.

    A) Paper soaked in a KNO3 (or similar oxidizer) and water solution and allowed to dry. Down and dirty, but seems to make the paper burn better, and the paper that does remain after firing smolders relatively quickly to ash (sometimes). Depending on the paper used, this cartridge is probably the most durable for field carry and use. Has a cool factor second to none when you tear the end off with your teeth to load a musket.

    B) Paper coated with a nitrocellulose lacquer and allowed to dry. Down and dirty, but waterproofs the paper cartridge somewhat and makes it easier to insert into the cylinder or barrel. Better paper combustion during ignition in my experience, and no smoldering bits to ignite the next charge of black powder.

    C) Paper treated in nitric acid and converted partially or entirely to nitrocellulose (guncotton). Elegant and clean. Never tried it, and probably won't, since nitrocellulose (guncotton) is pretty darned similar to what is contained in many types of "smokeless powder".

    A and B are both easy to do and both have their proponents. C is pretty dangerous to do at home because of the chemical(s) involved, but can be ordered online as magician's flash paper. Nitric acid nitrates skin just as easily as it does paper, but hurts. . . a bunch. Been there and done that. :)

    None of the above have replaced my Lee Perfect Powder Measure and Triple P cylinder loader combination at the range. But I'll admit to carrying B above when I want to travel light.
     
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    Findly found this, I thinking of buying a IAB Sharps that uses paper patched cartridges anybody have experience with this rifles its a 54 cal.
    I'm guessing it this works for pistols should be fine for rifles only bigger.
     
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    I've tried making nitrated paper cartridges for my 1851 Navy, but haven't had much luck. There's just not enough room on the 1851 to get them loaded.
     
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    I'll let you know about the IAB Sharps after Sunday afternoon.I'm takeing my .54 paper cutter Sporting Rifle out for the first time tommorow.
     
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    Do me a favor and place a sheet of paper under the breach by the lever and see if you get any blowby on it.
    What are you going to use for cartridges any pictures?
     
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    I've made some with KN03 and phonebook paper...
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    Works well too ... these are mainly for my 1863 Sharps .54 papercutter...
     
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    Well,I have always made pistol cartridges with ciggaret papers,so I decided to make my .54 sharps cartriges the same way.Right off, I discovered I'd need two,side by side to make the right width.Next time I'm going to use Lee Liquid Alox,but this time I tried Wonder Lube.I made 20 cartridges,but I'm only bringing 19 to try.#20 disintigrated about ten minutes after I lubed it with the yellow stuff.
     
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    Seems like an awful lot of business to go through when cigarette papers are already nitrated and work just fine for making pistol cartridges. Looks like a fun experiment, though...
     
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    I've used Zig Zags & Tops ... they ain't the same at all compared to nitrated paper...this lites up and burns.
    It looks like alot a work but it's jus' a lil' messy :O)

    I'm sure you'll have as much fun usin' cig papers in the revs...
     
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    That's right... I forgot that cigarette papers are flame-proof :rolleyes:. I know the difference; it's all basically the same stuff and only varies by percentage. All I'm saying is it isn't necessary, at least IMHO. I never have any problems with the cigarette papers not burning; I also wonder if people who have unburned scraps left in the chamber aren't over-crimping the end of the cartridge. I've found that a tube works best for forming and filling cartridges rather than a dowel; the crimp can be more easily adjusted.

    Like I say, just my opinion.
     
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    I can understand your opinion A. Walker, but I got myself proof of which works better. Try a .54/70gr papercart full a BP on a 435gr .557" boolit and shove it in a Sharps papercutter breech and fire... :O) there's a differance in nitrated paper carts. Same goes for the Revolvers ... your mileage may vary so give it a try for yourself.
    All I know is my recipe works ... and used the cig papers to smoke with. Since I quite smokin' and use free phonebooks the KNO3 costs about nothin' and I get to be a mad scientist in my kitchen Lab ...:eek:
     
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    I make em up just so I have a reason to go by the local head shop for the papers. Keeps me in touch with the younger generation. I found out "groovy" is no longer an acceptable term in polite young speak. How embarrassing.
     
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