Discussion in 'Legal' started by Lovesbeer99, Dec 8, 2008.
I think this is Dicks policy and not state law, but I'd like some back.
I tend to try and pay attention about goings on in NJ (i have family back there) Not overly familiar with all the NJ laws, but i definitely haven't heard of this recently...
If it's just happening at Dicks - that may just be a dicks policy? Perhaps they think this law is coming, so they're trying to get people in the habit now?
yep. Wouldn't surprise me.
I never liked shopping at Dick's - i always thought the name was very fitting...
Just my 0.02 cents
Tell him to re-read 2C:58-3.3, which is the new law (as of 4/1/08), and it applies ONLY to handgun ammunition. The law doesn't even require them to record the sale - that requirement was only for hollow-point ammunition [2C:39-3g(2)(a)]
NOT any other ammunition as you can see from the relevant bit below.
2C:58-3.3 "Handgun ammunition" defined; sale, purchase, etc., regulated; violation, fourth degree crime.
1. a. As used in this act, "handgun ammunition" means ammunition specifically designed to be used only in a handgun. "Handgun ammunition" shall not include blank ammunition, air gun pellets, flare gun ammunition, nail gun ammunition, paint ball ammunition, or any non-fixed ammunition.
b.No person shall sell, give, transfer, assign or otherwise dispose of, or receive, purchase, or otherwise acquire handgun ammunition unless the purchaser, assignee, donee, receiver or holder is licensed as a manufacturer, wholesaler, or dealer under this chapter or is the holder of and possesses a valid firearms purchaser identification card, a valid copy of a permit to purchase a handgun, or a valid permit to carry a handgun and first exhibits such card or permit to the seller, donor, transferor or assignor.
It is only binding on "bricks and mortar" retailers in NJ and does not affect on line purchases from out of state suppliers EXCEPT a few vendors (Midway for example) out of an abundance of legal cowardice/caution are restricting handgun ammunition sales to NJ until they implement the same "fax and keep a copy of the FID" process as they already do for Illinois residents.
This also does NOT affect reloading components.
For shotgun shells, the only law is federal law - which says no sales to anyone under 18. It's at the discretion of the owner whether or not to "card" you.
Yes, I'm well aware of that
As predicted before this law passed, retailers are scared to death, and are making up their own policies out of a "CYA" philosophy - and I can't really say that I blame them. Even before this law passed, I had dealt with online retailers who flat-out refused to ship to NJ, because according to them, "the law says we have to see your ID in person to sell you ammo". When I pressed them for "what law is that?", they just said, "Well, that's what your State Police told us".
As I'm always fond of movie quotes to sum up a real life situation, allow me to para-phrase slightly: "It's a big crap sandwich, and we're all gonna have to take a bite"
Just purchased .308 at Ramsey Outdoor in Ledgewood, NJ. The guy handed me the box of ammo and said have a nice day. The guy at the counter next to me was buying hand gun ammo (.22). The guy behind the counter asken him for his FID card. I actually questioned why him and not me. The reply was "anything that goes into a handgun or hollow point ammunition requires FID card" (I didn't bring up Thompson Contenders)
Hello to all you Jersians.
I have to agree with you there. Considering the fact that these commie States tend to pass multiple new gun restrictions each year, it has to be hard to keep up with it all.
1) Dick's may only sell long guns, but at least they bother. Pretty much every other large retailer who does so in other states doesn't bother in NJ.
2) Dick's actually sponsors shooting competitions in NJ. I've helped put on one match that has been sponsored by the local Dick's several years in a row. (they cut back in 2009, but they did so for everything sports related they sponsored, and they were far from the only ones).
3) Getting a reliable employee willing to get a pink card in NJ at a price they can afford to pay is hard. Unless they can bag a retiree who want part time work and an employee discount, it's pretty much forced onto the employee. This doesn't make for good help.
4) combine the above with the fact NJ often gives dubious advice to FFL holders, it is not surprising they get some funky instructions for compliance.
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