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(NJ) Armed teenagers stopped by police. Report from FoxNews

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  1. Deadman

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    Just saw a report on the Rita Cosby show on Fox News which detailed police arresting three teenagers armed and with the intent to shoot as many people as they could at specific locations.

    According to the police, the teenagers tried to carjack someone, the driver managed to flee the scene and contact a passing patrol car. The teenagers where then arrested shortly afterward.

    The inital investigation has found that the teenagers had some sort of list of who they wanted to target. And the planning had taken 5 or so months.

    Weapons included a pump shotgun of some sort, 30-30 lever rifle, and some sort of semi-auto, maybe a Mini14. They also had a .22 pistol and a revolver. Along with 2000 rounds apparently, some of which were saboted 30-30 rounds.


    So as far as I'm concerned thank God they were prevented from conducting some sort of Columbine event.
     
  2. Mastrogiacomo

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    Doesn't sound like carjacking was all they had in mind...thank God they were stopped.
     
  3. cpileri

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    hmmm

    Let's see:
    "Weapons included a pump shotgun of some sort, 30-30 lever rifle, and some sort of semi-auto, maybe a Mini14. They also had a .22 pistol and a revolver. Along with 2000 rounds apparently, some of which were saboted 30-30 rounds."

    what did we have here:
    a pump action,
    a shotgun,
    a cowboy caliber,
    a lever action,
    a semi-auto rifle- with detachable magazine,
    a 22,
    a semi-auto handgun,
    and
    a revolver

    also included were over 1000 rounds of ammo and a device capable of allowing high-powered rifle rounds subvert the ballistic fingerprinting process!

    My, my. It just so happens to be a one-stop snapshot of ALL the items needing a renewal and a proposed ban! How about that.

    What would reeeeeeeeally suprise me would be if we saw more and more events like this closer and closer to the AWB expire date.
    Yup, I'd be absolutely flabbergasted.

    Things that make you go, "hmmmmmmmmmmmm..."

    (p.s. I too am glad no one was hurt or killed, and mostly do not doubt that this was a 'sincere' crime in progress and not a staged political stunt. But I couldn't help pointing out...)
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    Dorothy: “Well, how can you talk if you haven’t got a brain?â€

    Scarecrow: “I don’t know. But some people without brains do an awful lot of taking.â€
     
  4. P95Carry

    P95Carry Moderator Emeritus

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    If this was an avoided carnage then I am well relieved but ....... cpileri ........ I do also share with you some of that cynicism!!
     
  5. HBK

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    I'm glad the incident was avoided. However, I share the concern that as the time to vote on bills concerning a ban on certain firearms nears, we are going to see an increasing amount of news coverage in which the perpetrators are armed with whatever guns the antis deems need to be banned.
     
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  7. cpileri

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    actually, i don't like being such a cynic

    Glad I'm not the only one, at least.
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    Glad the teens apprehended and nobody got hurt. I can appreciate the cynicism.

    I'm against gun laws. What do I see?Underage so they aquired firearms from somewhere, and ammo. So its not the guns , but someone either didn't enforce existing laws( undrage sales) or follow up a robbery. IIRC NJ, people cannot CCW to protect themselves from situations like this.

    It's not the guns. What if the teens break in and steal matches and gasoline to do arson...existing law ,if not enforced, will still cause injury, death, destruction.

    politics and sheeple...I swear. Pass another law to prevent firearms when the BG's will get and the GG can't defend themselves....matches next?
     
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    My question is whether the teens were caught with the weapons with them? Kinda hard to walk around with 3 long guns without bringing attention to yourself in a place like NJ.
     
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    Good thing there's no CCW in the PRNJ! Imagine the carnage that could've happened if there was!
     
  11. Deadman

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    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,91186,00.html




    The teenagers involved did have the weapons with them at the time of the arrest, and as far as I know this occured in the early hours of the morning.
     
  12. Mark Tyson

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    Teens arrested with guns, swords, sacks of ammo

    Teens arrested with guns, swords, sacks of ammo

    Monday, July 7, 2003 Posted: 4:33 AM EDT (0833 GMT)

    New Jersey police say three teens arrested with a cache of guns, knives and swords planned attacks on people they considered enemies.

    WFTX's Christian Farr reports (July 7)

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    OAKLYN, New Jersey (CNN) -- Three teenagers have been charged in an alleged plan to execute three people and then go on a shooting spree, armed with rifles, handguns, swords and more than 2,000 rounds of ammunition, police and the prosecutor's office said.

    The teens -- Matthew Lovett, 18, and two unidentified youths, ages 14 and 15 -- were arrested at 3:48 a.m. Sunday, Oaklyn Police Chief Chris Ferrari said, after the driver of a vehicle they allegedly tried to carjack managed to drive off and alert police. Police rushed to the scene and found the teens. No shots were fired in their apprehension, authorities said.

    Ferrari said the teens had strapped rifles and shotguns to their backs and tucked handguns in their waistbands. They were carrying three-foot swords and knives along with satchels of ammunition, he said.

    Camden County prosecutor Vincent Sarubbi said it appears all the weapons came from Lovett's home -- belonging to his father. Sarubbi said an initial check shows the firearms were legally obtained and were properly registered.

    "They had developed this plan where they were gong to execute three individuals in Oaklyn that they had identified and then continue on through the evening until they ran out of ammunition in a series of random killings throughout the town," Sarubbi said, who called the 18-year-old "the shaker and the mover" of the plan.

    "This could have been a potentially horrendous situation where many lives could have been jeopardized."

    There were no injuries, Ferrari said. "Thankfully we were able to thwart it before anyone got hurt."

    Oaklyn is a suburb of Philadelphia.

    Lovett was being held Sunday night at the Camden County Correctional Facility and the others, both minors, were being held at the juvenile detention center.

    "The 18-year-old has been charged with aggravated assault. He's also been charged with possession of a firearm for an unlawful purpose ... and he's also been charged with carjacking," said Sarubbi. "The two juveniles have been charged with carjacking and possession of a weapon for an unlawful purpose."

    "We are preparing charges for all three for conspiracy to commit murder," the prosecutor said.

    The teens went to two area high schools, Collingswood and Haddon Heights, Ferrari said. Lovett was a recent graduate of one of the schools, he said.
     
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    What were the swords for?
     
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    Good thing those punks went after him instead of me. If someone tried to carjack me, I'm not going to give them the courtesy of driving around -- more like straight into with the pedal to the floor!
     
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    I'd guess they thought having swords made them ninjas.
     
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    Not to blow snotwads in anyone's coffee, but I sincerely doubt any increase of such criminal activity would have any correlation whatsoever with the approaching sunset of the AWB. Perhaps the depth and duration of coverage, but not the actual crime in and of itself.

    Unless the gun-grabbers/media are in possession of a clandestine mind-control device to precipitate violent actions involving "assault weapons" to facilitate their agenda, I believe unfortunate events such as this will continue to occur randomly as they always have.

    However, will the media coverage of such events be manifested with increased intensity and repetition whenever it serves them and their political overlords? You bet!
     
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    I was suprised that one radio report said that all the guns were legal and owned by the youngsters father. Probably just one more case of parents being too involved with their own lives to pay any attention to the kid. That problem showed up at Columbine any many other cases.
     
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    Or vikings. Nothing makes a knave tremble more than a broadsword.
     
  19. Bruce in West Oz

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    This incident is already headline news here and being used as justification for even tighter gun restrictions.
     
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    Yup, more gun control laws could have prevented this! Although it is odd that fully licensed, registered and permitted adults would have acted this way....



    :barf:
     
  21. geekWithA.45

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    NJ is one of the most restrictive states in the nation with respect to firearms and just about anything else that can be considered a weapon.

    Yep. Gun control works. Right.


    Bruce in West OZ: lemme get this straight: The _Australians_ are using this as propaganda fodder?


    This all went down a few towns away from were I live now, in my old stomping grounds. Oaklyn NJ isn't a suburb of PHL, (Oaklyn PA is, though, nice fact checking, dimwits) it's the next town over from Collingswood, where these cretins hailed from.

    We either got really, really lucky, or it's too pat, and I smell a rat. Haven't decided which yet, not enough info to go on.

    BTW, dontcha think if you came home, found your gunlocker empty and your kid missing you'd be a bit concerned?
     
  22. El Rojo

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    I don't understand how people that are fully armed and ready to battle it out to the death just get arrested without incident. You would think they would just shoot it out with the cops too. Yet somehow they give up and no shots are fired. I guess these kids are just cowards and lost their mettle when they were looking down the business end of a gun themselves. I guess that is a good thing.
     
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    Actually, it sounds like the botched the carjacking too, so my guess is that somewhere along the line, they confronted the reality of hurting people and at _some_ level decided not to cross the line, even before the cops got there.
     
  24. Bartholomew Roberts

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    Saw it on the morning TV broadcast. It appears the evil vicious assault weapons of choice were:

    1) An SKS (wood furniture, fixed 10rd mag)
    2) A 1903 Springfield
    3) A Ruger 10/22


    There was also some other weapons I didn't get a positive ID on - might have been a Garand and a shotgun.
     
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    Now it is clear, we have rid society of those evil asault weapons, but look at all of these guns that are still accessible to 18 year old children. We need to ban them too. Lets keep banning until we ban everything. 1984. Brave New World.
     
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