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NJ Carry reform.

Discussion in 'Activism' started by Demitrios, Oct 1, 2010.

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  1. Demitrios

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    NOTICE: I've noticed some confusion on this thread and a lot of people are talking about the $500 carry permit that was proposed by Senator Van Drew (D) of Cape May. That bill is S2264 and is unrelated to this bill, A1384 which does not charge a fee at all.

    I got this e-mail today and it looks like I'll be writing a letter soon. I implore anyone else to right a letter to the following as well, even if you don't live in NJ. Remember it may not be a state you're
    interested in even visiting but it's still regarding your rights as well.:

    Recently, I sent the following letter to the Chairman of the New Jersey Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee:


    Hon. Gordon Johnson
    545 Cedar Lane
    Teaneck, New Jersey
    07666

    Re: A-1384

    Dear Chairman Johnson:

    Shortly after my election to the Legislature in 1995, I introduced the predecessor of the above-cited Bill. Same was referred to this Committee, as has been every subsequent incarnation thereof, where it languished.

    In light of the recent decision by the United States Supreme Court in McDonald, there exists essentially no doubt that many of New Jersey’s draconian restrictions on the fundamental right to keep and bear arms will not survive a legal challenge. As a result, New Jersey has essentially two choices: legislatively respect the constitutional rights of its citizens, or face the inevitability of being compelled to do so by the judiciary.

    The consequences of legislative inaction – leaving aside the denial of fundamental constitutional rights – could be hugely expensive for the taxpayers. Litigation is, as you know, very costly and, since the plaintiffs are almost certain to prevail in a challenge, they would likely be entitled to an award of counsel fees in addition to invalidating NJ’s unconstitutional laws.

    I respectfully request, then, that the Chairman schedule the above proposal for Committee consideration with all deliberate speed.

    Respectfully,
    Michael Patrick Carroll



    As you have written me in favoring Second Amendment rights, let me ask you a simple favor:

    Write to the committee chairman, as well as each member of the Committee, respectfully requesting that this measure be posted. In order to maximize the impact, I ask you to do it via snail mail (we old folks tend to respect paper more than electrons). Use your own language so that it cannot be dismissed as a form letter. Ask each of them to respond to you, in writing, respecting their position.

    Already, some Members of the Majority see the handwriting on the wall. Senator Van Drew recently introduced a concealed carry law. Although it needs work – the fees are unconscionably high and the training requirements disconcertingly vague – it represents a welcome step in the right direction. Now is the time to press for true reform.

    The addresses of the other committee members are here:

    Assemblyman Nelson T. Albano
    21 North Main St.
    Cape May Court House, NJ 08210

    Assemblyman Jon M. Bramnick
    251 North Ave. West 2nd Floor
    Westfield, NJ 07090

    Assemblywoman Elease Evans
    100 Hamilton Plaza Suite 1400
    Paterson, NJ 07505

    Assemblywoman Amy H. Handlin
    890 Main St.
    Belford, NJ 07718

    Assemblyman Paul D. Moriarty
    129 Johnson Road Suite 1
    Turnersville, NJ 08012

    Assemblyman David P. Rible
    1955 Highway 34 Bldg. 2A
    Wall Township, NJ 07719

    Assemblywoman L. Grace Spencer
    223 Hawthorne Ave.
    Newark, NJ 07112

    Assemblyman Gilbert L. "Whip" Wilson
    Audubon Commons Shopping Center
    130 Blackhorse Pike 1st Floor Suite D-3
    Audubon, NJ 08106
     
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  2. xXxplosive

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    Lived here my whole life.....seems you can get anything done here if the price is right.....$500.00 per year for the permit......I'm hearing.
    Don't get me wrong..........we deserve to have our 2A rights garanteed here in NJ even though a NJ Supreme Court Judge recently stated they weren't.
    But if any state could pass this for a DOLLAR AMOUNT.......rest assured NJ could along with the rest of the corruption gone wild in this state.
     
  3. Horny Toad

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    "$500.00 per year for the permit......I'm hearing."


    Ouch.

    I've lived here my whole life as well. I'm amazed it's being considered at all. I mean, I'm glad, but jeez, if it's that expensive.....that's just insane. Wouldn't surprise me though. I can only imagine what the restrictions would be.
     
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    I sure hope it gets passed, even at $500/yr.
     
  5. Horny Toad

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    I'd like to see concealed carry in NJ too, but I think there's a better chance of monkeys flying outta my butt.
     
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    If NJ could tax the monkeys, charge them for flying lessons, and require you to have them registered and inspected (for a fee of course) I'm sure they could arrange it.
     
  7. Tom609

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    :D

    I'm trying not to get too excited, but this seems to have more legs than previous attempts. Maybe because NJ pols will do anything for money, and they need it badly. I'll write the letters and do my part. If it flies, the $500 can later be challenged as excessive. For the record, I'll pay it to get this train moving.
     
  8. xXxplosive

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    Sad thing is.........I'll pay it too.

    This state really just exudes a stench in the nostrels of decent people....
     
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    I guess a 500 dollar license is cheaper than the fine and lawyer costs of getting caught for illegally carrying without a license right now. I've heard NJ is a little tough on illegally carrying without the hard to get NJ license. Yeah 500 bucks I'd gladly pay too if I lived in NJ or did work in NJ. I pay around 100 bucks a year for my car license every year to Tennessee.

    NJ would be smart to pass it and take the cash. There wont be a lot of people getting the license. Only a few who actually want to carry.
     
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    Agree.

    Worked in NJ for a couple of years in the 90s. A pro-gun candidate has very little chance of being elected in NJ because most NJ voters are anti-gunners.
     
  11. Demitrios

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    alsagr says:
    Not to say that you're wrong but I've lived in NJ my whole life and it's been my experience that most people I come across aren't anti-gun so much as ignorant about firearms and/or just don't care about them.
     
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    Methinks you are right.
     
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    This is similar to what I've noticed living in Cook county IL. The representatives and senators in the northern part of our state have been able to keep draconian laws in place because they people have been led to believe, through the Daley administration's support of certain extreme groups (IL Council Against Handgun Violence) that *guns* cause crimes.
    No mention of the poverty and drug use - that leads to gangs, which leads to fighting over scraps of the drug trade.

    That's not an easy problem to fix, so the politicians find an inanimate scapegoat (guns) so they can trumpet to the voters that they were successful in helping to end violence.

    Nevermind the fact that decades after gun bans went into place, violent crime has continued to soar and this is one of the worst places to live in the country.

    Yet the people don't seem to make this connection, or as you mentioned, just don't care. It's going to take some serious activism to show people that guns aren't the problem (as evidenced nearly every state in our union which have CCW on the books, and lower crime than anti-gun places like DC and Chicago).
     
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    I agree totally. Firearms are so alien to the majority of people in a "gun free" society that it just isn't on their radar.
     
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    I will absolutely write the letters and send them to these people. I too would pay the $500 and plan to challenge it later. And to be honest, most people I come across that I bring up the topic of guns to are pro gun.
     
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    There's only one guy in NJ that counts now.
    I don't have a clue what his position on guns is.

    So just write the nutty Governor.

    AFS
     
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    The authorities in NJ do not want the public armed.....they have stated it at the Chiefs Conference.
    Recently a NJ Supreme Court Justice wrote that NJ does not garantee your 2A rights.
    And I also agree, many Gardenstaters don't have much of an opinion on firearms as they are uneducated about them, don't hunt or target shoot let alone CCL issues.
    What do I need a gun for ? Is what I'm use to hearing from my neighbors. That's what we pay the police for.
     
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    Just curious for the NJ THR members.

    You new governor seems to have his fiscal "head on straight" (we salute you from TX)

    How does he sit on carry?
     
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    Dean1818, don't be fooled. Chris Christie is an arrogant crook. He is anti gun also.
     
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    Remember in NJ...........No Good Man Wants The Job.

    IMO...most likely an Anti..........but not sure. The last Pro gun Govenor was Christie Todd Whitman........had a reason to visit at their home once and was suprised to hear they have their own Trap N' Skeet field.....high and low house on the back 40.
     
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    As someone pointed out already elsewhere, the Governor is no friend to gun owners, but he looks to be interested in becoming a Republican on the national level. If so, he'll have to show respect and support for the 2nd A. It could be good timing. I'm such an optimist...
     
  22. Doc Simonson

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    Natural Rights are right.

    We Don't Need No Steenking 2nd Amendment
    http://www.soifer.com/jon/2nd.htm

    This was a really good article. Thanks for sharing it. I am going to save a hard copy so I can always share the info with friends who don't quite get it.
     
  23. Demitrios

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    Doc, that was an incredible article, thank you for sharing.
     
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    "Doc, that was an incredible article, thank you for sharing."

    Actually, that's from my sig line, but I'm glad he posted it too. :)

    I've always felt the article is a bit too long, but it's a great read.
     
  25. Doc Simonson

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    Plagarism - Me or Joe Biden: You pick.

    I probably should have copy/pasted Horny Toad's user name to the quote, or used quotations marks. My bad! :evil:

    So you live in the great State of New Jersey also, HT? I hear the chances of us ever having our right to bear arms recognized are near zero. I almost wish I'd have moved to Pennsylvania instead.
     
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