NJ decides 15 rounds should be illegal, 10 is reasonable.

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Does it exempt NJ LEO's and armed security? If so, why?

LEOs yes, armed security no.
 
xXxplosive said:
The Best way to see NJ is from your rear view mirror going over the Deleware Memorial Bridge...........
Let not forget the view isn't bad from the Lower Trenton Bridge either considering all the damage is done in Trenton. Christy was on TV a few weeks ago saying NJ was better than PA, really,, how? Christy must have drunk the RINO-KoolAid. If NJ gun laws mirrored PA laws we would be in great shape.
 
So, as I understand New Jersey (aka 'Joizy in this document), it is illegal to have a .22 rimfire rifle with a tube-feed magazine located almost full-length underneath the barrel that will hold a total of (let's just say) 21 rounds.

I think tube fed .22's that are not semi-auto are exempt under the current 15 round ban.
 
Correct. One of the definitions of an assault firearm is:

A semi-automatic rifle with a fixed magazine capacity exceeding 15 rounds.

And, 2C:39-1y defines a large-cap magazine as:

"Large capacity ammunition magazine" means a box, drum, tube or other container which is capable of holding more than 15 rounds of ammunition to be fed continuously and directly therefrom into a semi-automatic firearm.

Nothing prohibits the magazine capacity, fixed or detachable, of a bolt, lever, or pump-action rifle (or shotgun, for that matter).
 
Tom488 said:
No... those guns have been outlawed since 1991. Look up Joseph Pelleteri - convicted in 1996 of possession of an assault firearm for having a Marlin 60 semi-auto .22LR with a 17-round tubular magazine.

Seriously?

I have a bolt action 1930's vintage Winchester with a tubular magazine, holds like 20 rounds of .22 Short, or 15 rounds of .22 LR.

PS: I will move out of this state. NJ blows.
 
You would think that the civil lawsuits for that infringement alone would be in the hundreds...Police & paramilitaries being allowed weapons & gear denied to "We The People" is totalitarianism, and nothing else!

I honestly think that NY, NJ, MA, IL, & KA, should be walled off, nothing in, nothing out...Let them feast upon their totalitarianism while they starve...Seriously!
 
Hold on... just relax.

First off, it's budget season. Everybody is far too busy worrying about the budget than to push this bill. The text of the bill has been out since Friday and we haven't seen any articles in the Star Ledger or Courier Post about the menace that 15 round magazines are in New Jersey. If they were serious, you would hear articles in the paper about the threat of high capacity magazines.

My guess is that newspapers looked at the story and then then scratched their heads saying: "Oh, wait. We already have a magazine ban, so they are just arguing over 5 rounds? It's not like we have 75 round drums on the street, so I guess it's pretty good as it is. Let's print an editorial about teachers instead."

Second, the bill was just sent to the Law and Public Safety Committee, where it will probably sit until it dies. I don't think anybody wants to touch this bill, but it is one of those things that is useful to have around. I'll explain why.

The bill was sponsored by the Assemblywoman Annette Quijan of the 20th District, and Assemblyman Lou Greenwald of the 6th district. What do the two have in common? Both represent fairly liberal areas. Assemblywoman Quijan represents an area where most of her constituents are black, Hispanic or immigrants. Democrats outnumber Republicans there by an order of 4 to 1. In places like Elizabeth, guns = crime. There are plenty of people there who wouldn't mind if handguns dropped off the face of the earth.

Assemblyman Greenwald represents a list of wealthy towns like Voorhees, Cherry Hill, Haddonfield and Collingswood, although he bumps into the more blue collar hunter-types like those in Audubon park. Democrats outnumber Republicans here as well, although this area tilted in favor of Congressman Jon Runyan in the last election. People in this district either hunt with shotguns, or they live the kind of life where guns are just something they see in movies.

What does this mean?

It's just a publicity stunt. This is an election year. It's a stunt so that these two can send out flyers in midsummer with scary assault weapons on them and say: "We introduced legislation to ban THESE!

Here's why it isn't going to pass:

Back when One Gun a Month passed you didn't see a lot of complaining because we were in the middle of a recession and who the heck had enough money to buy more than one gun a month anyway? The hunters weren't effected. The IDPA/collector guys were effected, but they could get a special permit from the state police if they wanted to buy multiple guns.

But this law is a different story.

If NJ had gone to 10 round magazines when the assault weapons ban sunset in 2004, this wouldn't be an issue. But their old 15 round law kicked in, and over the past 7 years, plenty of people have purchased handguns.

If you have an AR-15 in New Jersey, odds are that you already have 10 round magazines for it. Maybe you have a pinned 15 rounder, but they are expensive. But if you have a handgun, the odds are very good that you have a 15 round magazine. I think the Assembly knows this. I also think that they know the gun owners of NJ are going to raise a massive ruckus if this gets to the floor.

Why? The other laws didn't really effect people, it was just feel good legislation, but this is a law that will make instant criminals out of people and confiscate their property. Campaign contributers don't like having their property confiscated. Heck, this law will even effect some NJ legislators like Senator Van Drew. He's a gun owner and I'm pretty sure he doesn't want to have to drop his magazines off at the police station and pay for new 10 rounders.

Finally, we have a Republican governor who wants to be president someday. Remember that an elephant never forgets. He will not be President someday unless he vetos this bill.

So all that being said, I doubt it will ever get out of committee.
 
I honestly think that NY, NJ, MA, IL, & KA, should be walled off, nothing in, nothing out...Let them feast upon their totalitarianism while they starve...Seriously!
Sure is nice to feel all the love and support from our fellow Americans... tell ya what - let's lump Texas and Florida in there, because those facist pinko commie dictatorships don't allow open carry. And, ummm... oh yeah, Ohio too, because they don't allow magazines over 30 rounds. And... umm... Washington, because they don't allow you to shoot suppressed. While we're at it....

... ya see where I'm going with this? Reflect back on the wise words of one Benjamin Franklin, who said, "we must hang together, or we will surely hang separately".
 
Everything in NJ is classified as a "Device".....all Devices are illeagle. Heck, kids Slingshots are illeagle in NJ.....it's a Device.....:eek:
 
There are two bills that the antis will now keep trying to get through
This 10 round magazine cap and the. 50 Cal ban they tried a few times now.

I figure the 10 round cap will fail the first time through, they will try it next year and the year after. This will go on until it passes or the courts finally tell law makers that arbitrary bans on weapon features and the number of rounds a few pieces of stamped metal can hold is unconstitutional.
 
The people who pass these laws base them on absolutely nothing. It's a shot in the dark (no pun intended) and absolutely just feel good legislation.

Case in point: when the initial Federal AWB passed in 1994 old mags were grandfathered. A lot of the politicians later got mad because people were finding a "loophole" and "reusing" their old mags.

Apparently these idiots thought that when you bought bullets they came in magazines and once shot empty the magazine was a disposable item. Yes, those are the types of idiots voting on national firearms laws . . . .
 
Funny how self-castration comes with a symphony of applause. Probably a lot of hard-line anti's who really believe that de-clawing themselves would be a "victory".
 
I believe that the fact it is lost on many of us that our dominance in this world is almost based purely upon the tools we have available at any given moment. As above it should just be the law abiding who have to give up their claws.

And limiting the number of rounds in a magazine is like declawing all but one paw. I for one prefer as many paws and claws a possible.
 
Can't Chris Christie put the kabosh on this? If the bill makes it out of committee and ultimately gets presented as law, Christie won't sign it. I doubt that the NJ anti's have the votes to override the veto.
 
I only need one bullet!

Sheriff Andy Taylor in Mayberry NC only allowed Barney Fife to carry a single bullet while on patrol (e.g., one cartrige in his .38 revolver).

....maybe that should be the new standard in NJ???


Yikes, When will the assaults on our 2nd amendment stop?
 
Sheriff Andy Taylor in Mayberry NC only allowed Barney Fife to carry a single bullet while on patrol (e.g., one cartrige in his .38 revolver).

....maybe that should be the new standard in NJ???

Don't give 'em any ideas. Something like that could pass. :uhoh:
 
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