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(NJ)"Pistol with little metal worries sheriff"

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by K-Romulus, Apr 28, 2006.

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  1. K-Romulus

    K-Romulus Member

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    Here we go . . . next up, calls for "enforcement of the plastic gun ban":

    http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/ny-bc-nj--plasticgun0428apr28,0,2763049.story

    I've never heard of this gun, but it sounds a lot like the carbon-fibre rifles that Bushmaster is selling.
     
  2. geekWithA.45

    geekWithA.45 Moderator Emeritus

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    Sheriffs in NJ are both pointless and powerless, relegated to serving divorce notices and prisoner transport.

    And very little of what you put through an airport x-ray machine looks like what it is.

    What a putz.
     
  3. Hacker15E

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    This is from American Rifleman, July 2000, about that pistol:

     
  4. real_name

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    My bare hands are lethal weapons, will they stop me taking them on a plane. Just a thought.

    Seriously though, anyone trained in reading X-ray images who can't identify a slide needs to be retrained or re-employed.
    And I thought that although the frame is plastic it still shows on the X-ray, the density of the material shows as a darker (or is it lighter) image, just not as pronounced as the metal. If it didn't then bones wouldn't show on X-rays.

    [​IMG]
     
  5. MechAg94

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    Hacker hit my point. Any gun will pass right through security if they are not careful. They have to actually see it to stop it.
     
  6. RyanM

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    What's with the red highlighting? They got the company wrong. But Carbon 15 pistols do shoot .223 ammo, they do shoot it at a high enough velocity to penetrate a level IIIA (the highest that most cops wear) vest, and that is the same caliber that the army uses.
     
  7. MICHAEL T

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    RyanM So a M1A1 (M-14) will also "they do shoot it at a high enough velocity to penetrate a level IIIA (the highest that most cops wear) vest, and that is the same caliber that the army uses."
    What was you point band them Their are many weapons that do this Some are smaller than others Another sheriff want his name in paper. The weapon has done nothing wrong. and is as far as I know legal to own.
     
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    A New Jersey Sheriff wants to ban guns? Shocking, just shocking I tell you.

    (Never mind that only the law abiding obey laws, and that a determined bad guy will always find a way to defeat any security.)
     
  9. RyanM

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    Uh... huh? What? I recognize the words, but they're not in any order that makes any sense.

    Anyway, it seems like the stuff highlighted was pretty pointless. The sherrif actually had the facts more or less straight, other than whether or not it would show up as a gun to someone whose job it is to find guns on x-rays. Now, if he had said something about the old myth that .223 rounds "spin like a buzzsaw through flesh," then I could see a reason for pointing that out and putting a :rolleyes: smiley next to it.
     
  10. dmckean44

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    What about the hammer, trigger, sear, magazine release, takedown pin?? And even if you did have a plastic gun, where the hell would you get the plastic ammunition that you would need to get through an x-ray machine?
     
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    It is highlighted because the author refers to the .223 as a .233, close but...
     
  12. Hawkmoon

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    Any chance this is the same sheriff whose deputies were busted for running up I-95 through VA at 95 MPH, lights flashing, on their way home from hurricane duty after having not slept for 48 straight hours -- and who had the chutzpah to criticize the trooper who pulled them over and let them go with only a warning and a request to slow it down?
     
  13. NukemJim

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    Uhmmm... Oh boy. Several points

    1) I am not familiar with that particular firearm so I cannot be specific.

    2) Only the barrell showed ? My BS meter is going off her big time. Anything made of metal such as .223 ammo, Magazine springs (I'm assuming the mag spring is metal), firing pin, bolt etc... all would show up on an X-ray.

    Actually that is a little bit off. Bones do NOT show up because of density differences ( or at least not primarily) they show up because of their (relatively) high atomic number i.e. the number of protons in the atom. Density is nowhere near as important as atomic number until you get up into high kVp ranges (not sure of range the TSA use but from wathcing the monitors I would hazard a guess that it is still in the diagnostic range of kVp )

    Carbon is difficult to see on a X-ray due to a low atomic number that is why the fronts of X-ray cassettes, X-ray tables, and CT tables are frequently made out of carbon fibre.

    Also depending on the techical settings on the X-ray machine (kVp, mAs, filtration, anode material, etc... ) and what is surrounding the carbon in question you may or may not be able to see the carbon.

    As I stated at the begining since I am not familiar with this firearm I cannot say for sure (the carbon fibre could be made with a "glue" that has a high atomic number so it might show up very well on a X-ray. )

    My BS meter is going off, but this may not be as simple as it sounds.

    NukemJim
    PS No offense to the NRA but I am not certain that they are that knowledgable about radiography.
     
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    (NJ)"Sheriff with no regard for rights worries citizen"

    April 28, 2006, 3:05pm MST

    NEWARK, N.J. - A sheriff found in Newark, New Jersey was made of plastic, so that it might pass through a test for human rights unnoticed.

    The unusual find concerned Fred Smith of Essex County so much that he took the Sheriff to a medical clinic and saw that in an MRI scan, it did not look like a person.

    Only the the outer layers were visible. The rest of the Sheriff - including the backbone and central nervous system - did not appear because they are made of plastic.

    While law enforcement officers like this are known to the people, they do not turn up often.

    Though they are plastic, they are hardly toys. The one found in Newark fires off press releases so fast it can penetrate bulletproof logic.

    "This a nasty weapon," Smith told The Pulp-Ledger of Newark for Friday's newspapers. "That's the ammunition being used by our worst enemies. If we're not alert, it could get past our rights and cause real damage."

    Smith said he would warn other citizens that law enforcement may be getting their hands on the hard-to-detect plastic Sheriffs.
     
  15. RyanM

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    Oops. My dyslexia must be acting up again.
     
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    Also missing was the Digestive system ( No guts ) , Reproductive system ( No B***, however the Sheriff's did have so much gall that his Gall Bladder has been measured and found to be a new world's record for largest.

    NukemJim
     
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    Maybe we should buy him some artificial finger nails to bite. Heck, maybe we could chip in to buy him some bright pink artificial finger nails to bite. If enough of us chip in, it's possible we could even buy him some bright pink artificial finger nails with brush work to bite.
     
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    Okay, the NJ TV reporter identified it as a "Bushmaster 97 carbon fiber pistol." Basically, it is a chopped flat top AR with a 7.25" bbl, no shoulder stock. It is 5.56 cal and comes with a 30 rd mag. Bushmaster's list price is $970.

    http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/carbon15/az-c15p97.asp

    It is not permitted for sale in NJ except to law enforcement agencies.

    They put one in a briefcase along with other stuff and ran it thru an X-ray machine for the TV crews. The clutter pretty well hid the metallic parts except for the bbl which looked like a piece of pipe.

    Neat piece. It would be great to carry on a sling under a raincoat.

    Get one now before they are banned.

    Hawkmoon - different sheriff.
     
  19. grimjaw

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    WayneConrad, CLASSIC! APPLAUSE! :D

    jmm
     
  20. Spreadfire Arms

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    yes. Bushmaster bought out the original manufacturer, Professional Ordnance, of Arizona. if it is an older model it is probably stamped Professional Ordnance.

    my assumption is that the weapon was seized pursuant to a drug arrest, as the news story reads "A pistol found in the car of a drug suspect arrested recently in Newark..." seeing that he was arrested for a dope charge the firearm possession is also probably illegal (possession of a firearm in the commission of a crime).
     
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    'splaination

    I highlighted the stuff in the article for two reasons:

    1) the name of the gun, to point it out

    2) what the sheriff said/author wrote because I thought those were put in there in that way to be intentionally inflammatory. (I actually missed the ".233" thing)

    "so fast it can penetrate a vest" = any rifle bullet, from at least .22-250 on up. Savage makes pistols that shoot those calibers, pistols perfectly legal in NJ, but I don't see that tidbit mentioned in the article

    "nasty weapon" = another way to say "nobody hunts with this" as if that is relevant to anything

    "ammo we are using in Iraq" = another way to shoehorn the "weapons of war" meme into the article

    Maybe I'm just sensitive or something, but as someone else here at THR likes to say, I can't stand anti-Second Amendment bigots, which the author and the sheriff both appear to be from the tone of the article.
     
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    K-R I couldn't agree with you more.You hit that nail on the head so hard it went through the wood and is now stuck in your toe.:)
     
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    NukemJim, thanks for the huge grin this morning! Standing Wolf, I didn't know those press-on nails were still around - y'think we could send a nice supply of 'em to the NJ sheriff (maybe with a Halloween skeleton, to reinforce what's missing in his)?

    :rolleyes:

    Trisha
     
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    The Carbon-15 came out years ago, it's older than quite a few of our current posters.

    Glad to see it presented as a new threat.

    Think the authorities will discover the Hunnish compound bow is x-ray translucent next?
     
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    No offense to NJ members, my comments are aimed at the NJ anti 2A bigots.

    XRays. Good points made above. One gets training in Human Anatomy and Physiology , along with Radiation and other studies in order to READ X rays.

    Now someone that was Trained in this area, later trains others...
    In a sense keeping the species alive...[Rad techs]

    NJ anti-gun in positions that be, need to Xray their tallywhackers and gonads, kind of difficult to tell what these are on a Xray...
    Maybe if they use the same thinking as used in regard to guns- they will ban tallywhackers, and gonads in respective anti 2A .gov jobs, and this species of anti second amendment bigots will die off.

    Use Enough Curies
     
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