NM Blackhawk or Uberti El Patron in 45 Colt?

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Different strokes for different folks. Guns profile, weight, persons body type, style of holster, physical shape, critters that may be encountered,type of activity expected to partake in while carrying, all play a part in what one person may be comfortable carrying. Than add personal taste on top of that and no one is going to have the exact opinion. A 6" barreled revolver weighing 45-50 oz or so is going to feel alot different to someone who is 6' 6" and 275 vs a fella who is 5' 4" and 150lbs. So whatever floats your boat agree to disagree?
 
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Also congrats on the purchase OP, hope you enjoy it and it serves you well. Post some pics if you would please.
 
So about 30 min ago I strolled through the door with a new 45 Colt.
After reading everyone's posts I decided that I would purchase which ever one I saw first.
Well, I ended up with the Uberti El Patron.
CCH with the 4.75 inch barrel.
I am super pumped about this because I have wanted one for so long.
My wife wouldn't let me shoot it tonight even though my pistol range is well lit because that might scare the neighbors at 10pm.
I can't wait to shoot it tomorrow.
Well done.
You picked my favorite.
My el patron is smoooo-oothe.
 
Well, i know they kill better in marginal shots or really any lung shot not through the heart. What they do not do is conjure up fantasies of riding side saddle behind the lone ranger or tonto. I do know an fa83 doesnt go with a fake sheriff’s badge or a leather vest near as well as any of the original colt or colt clone single actions.

Dang it I knew I forgot something! Anyone know a good source for leather vests?
LOL.
 
No, not the same thing as you all aren't carrying your SAA clones concealed...we're talking field carry."

I absolutely do. If I'm wearing one of my SA's working around here and have to stop to go into town, I don't take the rig off. If it's cold outside and I'm wearing a jacket, it's concealed. If it's not cold, it's not concealed. That's the beauty of a "handy" handgun; learn to shoot it and it works for so many things.

I dunno. Never thought a few ounces either way made something not able to be carried. My alaskans are smaller than many of those revolvers posted craig. Might weigh a bit more perhaps, maybe not. Not sure the weight matters. More of the foot print that matters. Then again, my glock 20 is imminently more packable than most single actions, carries more, and is more powerful than most of the above so i guess from a practicality standpoint, im covered until i need more power. Then i need a bigger gun

In the recliner or riding around in a pickup, even walking around for short periods of time, a few ounces make little difference. And if that's the extent of how you use a handgun, then you're probably fine with a big 'un.


Let me preface this by saying I am not being combative, I just want the opportunity to explain my choices. I am viewing this purely from a versatility standpoint, not one based on nostalgia or emotion. Let's play the what-if game.
-What if funds are limited dictating the purchase of one firearm?
-What if lots of load/bullet experimentation is on the menu and well you have trouble finding one that'll shoot to the sights?
-What if you decide to not limit your activities to paper punching and plinking but want to hunt? We've already established the efficacy of the lower-power loads on deer, but what if you want to step the game up to let's say elk, moose or whatever? Now what? Those Ruger-only loads are starting to look real good about now.

As far as "bulky" is concerned, according to Ruger's website a 4 5/8-inch Blackhawk weighs in at 39 ounces empty - that's 2.43 pounds. That's probably only a couple ounces more than an SAA knockoff. In other words, not enough of a difference to really take notice or to constitute bulky IMHO.

I don't test in blocks of gelatin. We established the Bovine Bash five years ago to test bullets/loads from revolvers at the extremes to see how they perform, so I'm fairly well-versed in terminal ballistics and have made a career out of myth-busting some of the dogma associated with conventional wisdom in hunting circles. I have used everything from mouse-fart level loads to fire-breathing, high pressure loads and everything in between on everything from whitetail, to wild hogs, to black bear, mountain lion and moose to name but a few species. I have a pretty good idea what works well and what I won't use anymore.

You don't need to redline the .45 Colt for it to be an effective killer, but you would serve yourself well being able to really test and fine tune load development with a sighting system that isn't fixed.

Am I overthinking this? I don't think so as there is a real practicality to my reasoning. However, judging by your post I can see that you too have taken the time to establish what you consider versatile. More power to you.

I don't think you're being combative at all, but I don't think you understand, or maybe are not interested in understanding, the use of a revolver outside of just hunting. @CraigC framed the revolvers in question perfectly, they're tools of opportunity for targets of opportunity.

The fixed sighted issue has been extremely simple for me. When I acquire a revolver I find an accurate load with a SWC bullet that works for hunting, and regulate the sights so that it strikes no more than 2" high at 50 yds. which in the case of a .44 Special or 45 Colt and a bullet running 950-1000 fps, means it will be ~0-3" low at 75 yds., depending on the POI at 50. Next I find a light load consisting of a RN bullet, close in weight to my hunting bullet, running around 750 fps that can be used for small game. More often than not, the light load will shoot to the sights at 25 yds., making my revolver a truly versatile tool for the field. Now to illustrate this, a couple of years ago I went with some friends to deep SW Texas for some javelina hunting, shooting, whiskey consumption and general relaxation. Carrying the battered .44 Special illustrated above, I filled it with hunting loads save for one cylinder that had the light load. I slipped to within 20 or so yds. of a covey of blues, indexed the cylinder to the light load, and load sniped one to add to the pot that night-

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A week later I'm back home and on one of my long evening walks on the ranch next door when I heard some pigs making racket and found a couple of sows and a mess of babies. With the same revolver I used to take the blue quail, I stuck a 260 gr. Keith SWC into her shoulder from .44 yards out.

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Paper punching, small game shooting, deer and hogs, even concealed/unconcealed carry, all with one revolver and one sight setting. That is my idea of versatility and what works for me. It's worked so well, that you're going to have a hard time convincing me that my successes, well, weren't.

I don't know if you ever actually hunted elk, but in DIY situations (no guide finding them, skinning, quartering and packing them out for you )and away from roads it's an extremely physical thing. Even after having taken 4 bulls so far, I personally wouldn't dream of doing it with a handgun. But again, if that's your thing, more power to you.

In my view, calling a large hand cannon a versatile handgun, is like calling a .460 Weatherby a versatile rifle.

35W
 
I absolutely do. If I'm wearing one of my SA's working around here and have to stop to go into town, I don't take the rig off. If it's cold outside and I'm wearing a jacket, it's concealed. If it's not cold, it's not concealed. That's the beauty of a "handy" handgun; learn to shoot it and it works for so many things.



In the recliner or riding around in a pickup, even walking around for short periods of time, a few ounces make little difference. And if that's the extent of how you use a handgun, then you're probably fine with a big 'un.




I don't think you're being combative at all, but I don't think you understand, or maybe are not interested in understanding, the use of a revolver outside of just hunting. @CraigC framed the revolvers in question perfectly, they're tools of opportunity for targets of opportunity.

The fixed sighted issue has been extremely simple for me. When I acquire a revolver I find an accurate load with a SWC bullet that works for hunting, and regulate the sights so that it strikes no more than 2" high at 50 yds. which in the case of a .44 Special or 45 Colt and a bullet running 950-1000 fps, means it will be ~0-3" low at 75 yds., depending on the POI at 50. Next I find a light load consisting of a RN bullet, close in weight to my hunting bullet, running around 750 fps that can be used for small game. More often than not, the light load will shoot to the sights at 25 yds., making my revolver a truly versatile tool for the field. Now to illustrate this, a couple of years ago I went with some friends to deep SW Texas for some javelina hunting, shooting, whiskey consumption and general relaxation. Carrying the battered .44 Special illustrated above, I filled it with hunting loads save for one cylinder that had the light load. I slipped to within 20 or so yds. of a covey of blues, indexed the cylinder to the light load, and load sniped one to add to the pot that night-

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A week later I'm back home and on one of my long evening walks on the ranch next door when I heard some pigs making racket and found a couple of sows and a mess of babies. With the same revolver I used to take the blue quail, I stuck a 260 gr. Keith SWC into her shoulder from .44 yards out.

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Paper punching, small game shooting, deer and hogs, even concealed/unconcealed carry, all with one revolver and one sight setting. That is my idea of versatility and what works for me. It's worked so well, that you're going to have a hard time convincing me that my successes, well, weren't.

I don't know if you ever actually hunted elk, but in DIY situations (no guide finding them, skinning, quartering and packing them out for you )and away from roads it's an extremely physical thing. Even after having taken 4 bulls so far, I personally wouldn't dream of doing it with a handgun. But again, if that's your thing, more power to you.

In my view, calling a large hand cannon a versatile handgun, is like calling a .460 Weatherby a versatile rifle.

35W


Its all good and i do get your point, but i carry mine in the mountains of the san juans in colorado and across the plains of the african kalihari desert so no theyre not truck guns. The flaw in your analogy of the 460 weatherby is that my nice small 5.5” custom ruger sbh by huntington or my shorter barreled fa83 can be loaded to whatever level i want. Then be turned up for serious hunting work. Just a few clicks of the rear sight and im set. If you enjoy that sight regulatory process. Great. I guess if i did i wouldnt have to ever adjust my rear sight either.

funny, i never thought id equate my 41 mags and my lighter loaded 454’s to be something that would equate to the rifle world of the 460 weatherby.
 
I think, at the end of 4 pages of debate, the only logical solution is to get both. And you're 50% to that goal already. :)

I have a Taylor's smoke wagon deluxe (same thing as the patron, different importers I think), and I love it. I've shot it a bunch in CAS competition. Enjoy!

P.S. - Did we ever get pictures?
 
I absolutely do. If I'm wearing one of my SA's working around here and have to stop to go into town, I don't take the rig off. If it's cold outside and I'm wearing a jacket, it's concealed. If it's not cold, it's not concealed. That's the beauty of a "handy" handgun; learn to shoot it and it works for so many things.



In the recliner or riding around in a pickup, even walking around for short periods of time, a few ounces make little difference. And if that's the extent of how you use a handgun, then you're probably fine with a big 'un.




I don't think you're being combative at all, but I don't think you understand, or maybe are not interested in understanding, the use of a revolver outside of just hunting. @CraigC framed the revolvers in question perfectly, they're tools of opportunity for targets of opportunity.

The fixed sighted issue has been extremely simple for me. When I acquire a revolver I find an accurate load with a SWC bullet that works for hunting, and regulate the sights so that it strikes no more than 2" high at 50 yds. which in the case of a .44 Special or 45 Colt and a bullet running 950-1000 fps, means it will be ~0-3" low at 75 yds., depending on the POI at 50. Next I find a light load consisting of a RN bullet, close in weight to my hunting bullet, running around 750 fps that can be used for small game. More often than not, the light load will shoot to the sights at 25 yds., making my revolver a truly versatile tool for the field. Now to illustrate this, a couple of years ago I went with some friends to deep SW Texas for some javelina hunting, shooting, whiskey consumption and general relaxation. Carrying the battered .44 Special illustrated above, I filled it with hunting loads save for one cylinder that had the light load. I slipped to within 20 or so yds. of a covey of blues, indexed the cylinder to the light load, and load sniped one to add to the pot that night-

View attachment 882836

A week later I'm back home and on one of my long evening walks on the ranch next door when I heard some pigs making racket and found a couple of sows and a mess of babies. With the same revolver I used to take the blue quail, I stuck a 260 gr. Keith SWC into her shoulder from .44 yards out.

View attachment 882837

Paper punching, small game shooting, deer and hogs, even concealed/unconcealed carry, all with one revolver and one sight setting. That is my idea of versatility and what works for me. It's worked so well, that you're going to have a hard time convincing me that my successes, well, weren't.

I don't know if you ever actually hunted elk, but in DIY situations (no guide finding them, skinning, quartering and packing them out for you )and away from roads it's an extremely physical thing. Even after having taken 4 bulls so far, I personally wouldn't dream of doing it with a handgun. But again, if that's your thing, more power to you.

In my view, calling a large hand cannon a versatile handgun, is like calling a .460 Weatherby a versatile rifle.

35W

Try concealing that rig in a suit. I carry one about 10 hours a day give or take, so the idea of a “useful” revolver isn’t lost on me in the least. I have also shlepped my hunting revolvers for a great many miles in far off rugged terrain on many occasions. As tradmark so succinctly pointed out, none of mine are truck guns either.

As a side note, the size differential between a SAA (or clone) and a 5 1/2-inch Bisley is minimal and that anyone can use that as a reason to carry one over the other is picking nits as far as I am concerned.

I have owned SAA clones before, and while I very much like them, they are tools like any other firearm so I assign no emotion to them. JMHO and YMMV.
 
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