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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by inclinebench, Mar 21, 2011.

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  1. inclinebench

    inclinebench Member

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    I have a friend who has recently gotten back into shooting. He has much more free time than I, so I gave him permission to shoot on my private land (not where I live, but 20 minutes away). He has said that he would love to put in some labor out there to show his appreciation. Well, he has also been taking friends with him, and they to said how much they wanted to lend a hand to show their appreciation. Well, this past Sunday it was arranged that we would all work through the morning, then I had to leave at lunch, and they would stay and shoot. Sure enough, I am out there with chainsaws, bow saws, clippers, loppers, chains and cables etc. I work my butt off solo untill lunchtime, then as I am leaving they show up. None in boots, all wearing nice clothes, obviously no intention to help work.

    None of these guys has kids or much obligation, I on the other hand do. So I rarely get to shoot, but I always need work done on the property. I only asked for one morning in several months, and I got a bunch of guys too lazy to lift a finger. Just a shame. They get to go shoot at the public range they loathe so much, I will continue to shoot on my own place, and no more permission for these guys.

    Sorry to vent, but I have to ask, am I being to uptight, or would anyone here shoot for free with friends almost every weekend since hunting season ended and refuse to even lift a finger as a show of appreciation or as some sort of payment for getting 50 acres to shoot on every week?
     
  2. B yond

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    They offered to help and thrn didn't follow through?

    I wouldn't trust them to follow through with anything, and I sure as heck wouldn't let them shoot on my property unattended. For all you know safety goes out the window when you're not there. You obviously can't take their word for it.
     
  3. Unistat

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    You are discovering why gun clubs have dues and work requirements not to mention selective addmission policies.

    You are now effectivley running a gun club, so you're probably going to have to start treating it like one. No you're not being uptight, but you need to be upfront and clear about what you expect your friends to contribute.
     
  4. SharpsDressedMan

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    Real friends don't act that way.
     
  5. GCBurner

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    Not to mention the liability issue if someone gets hurt or killed shooting on your property by your permission. People like your "friends" would be first in line to sue you.
     
  6. Hanzo581

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    Those certainly don't sound like friends.
     
  7. kingpin008

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    What they said. Time to revoke the invite.
     
  8. General Geoff

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    This might have just been a simple misunderstanding. They may have woken up late or been very cavalier about showing up early because they figured you'd wait till they got there to start working.

    As for nice clothes, I work in "nice" clothes (button down shirt, slacks, etc) all the time. I don't own a single pair of jeans. That doesn't keep me from working hard and getting dirty. That's what the washing machine is for. :)

    I would schedule a make-up day to give them the chance to follow through, and make it clear to them that it is important to you that they show up EARLY, and to expect to get dirty & sweaty. Friends deserve the benefit of the doubt.
     
  9. Owen

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    I'm with Gen. Geoff.
     
  10. Ala Dan

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    Shame on those invitee's; they might need YOUR services again, soon~! I
    would simply remind these folks how they handled business during our last
    get-together; and not let 'em shoot on my property. I hate too be that way,
    but they gave you their "word"; and broke any trust that you might have put
    in them~! ;) :uhoh: :(
     
  11. ILikeLead

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    I've been in a similar situation and acted about as you did. IMHO, in today's culture where everybody carries a phone, there's no excuse for that.

    From here they'll have to earn your respect back.
     
  12. Hanzo581

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    When you are repaying a favor you show up when asked, and if you can't make it you call. And while some do manual labor in nice cloths that is very uncommon...they weren't planning on working.
     
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    Unfortunately in today's litigious society, this has now become a major factor for consideration.
     
  14. Searcher4851

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    I'd be more than willing to help out for the opportunity to have a nice place to shoot at my leisure. (and I have my own tools)
    Sorry to hear your alleged friends have put you into such a situation. Some folks just have no sense of appreciation.
    I reckon if you cut off their access, and they're still friendly, you could give em another chance, provided the help part came first.
    If they get uppity about it, I reckon you're better off without them.
     
  15. medalguy

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    I'm with you on this. I can relate the arrangement I had several years when I was on a (paid for) deer lease. We paid for the hunting privileges but whenever the landowner needed help with fence mending, lambing in the spring, road maintenance on the ranch, or whatever, we gladly lent a hand.

    There's absolutely no excuse for guys to tell you they would be there to help, and then not call if one or more of them couldn't be there for any reason. But ALL of them to no-show? Man, that's bad.
     
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    I agree that there should be no more free shooting privileges. I'm an active member of a shooting club with approx 300 members, work days come and its always the same 10 guys who show up. Years ago back in the '60's I was a Scout Master, and it was always the same parents who helped, if one gets 10% to help, you've got a real crowd.
     
  17. inclinebench

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    Thanks for the input everyone.

    I might give these folks another chance, but really, they drive past a free public range to get to my land, and it wont be the end of their world to shoot there. For now, I will reserve my land, which my wife and I pay for and work by ourselves, for my family. If these guys really like shooting on private land, then maybe they can find someone else, or better yet, save up some money and buy a place. Land around here is as cheap as it has been in twenty years. If they call me up and want to go do some work before they call about any shooting, then maybe I will try to do that, but I aint holding my breath.
     
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    For the love of Pete, did you TALK to them about it? Or, are you just inferring all of this "not wanting to help", by the way they were dressed? Sit them down, explain to them what you expect, and that next time you want them to show up and get x, y, and z accomplished. We are turning into a "text only" society, where we don't want to offend, but then will "vent" on a public forum about it. Get in their face! YOU are taking all the risk, and they are reaping the reward....

    Peace, love, and BBQ!
     
  19. NoviceClays1989

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    I'm definately with the General. I am about to crawl under my car to possibly replace the clutch, hopefully just adjust it, in my dockers and button up shirt. Too warm for the coveralls. Doesn't matter what they are wearing, I would be very hurt and feel used, revoke the welcome sir and enjoy shooting on your own land by yourself, or with real friends.
     
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    No unescorted guests on my property.
     
  21. inclinebench

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    I may just be a dumb hillbilly, but when folks agree to show up for work at 8:00 and work till I have to leave at noon, then shoot...well, that means show up at 8:00. And if any of you all are willing to run a chainsaw and swing an axe wearing tennis shoes...we need to talk some basic safety. I even got a text the night before, confirming 8:00...at least one guy of three could have made it, and no one texted or called to say they couldn't. Then they show up as I am leaving at lunchtime. I think there was no plan to work by any of them.

    And like I said, they still can shoot for free at a public range that is closer by half to where they live, so I am not denying them much. I just cannot rely on these fellows.
     
  22. ridgerunner1965

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    its amazeing nowadays how most peoples word means nothing.i was taught that if yu said yu were gonna be somewhere at 8, you were there or yu died trying.in fact i like to be there a little early.it dont cost nuttin to leave 10 min early.most people have a tough time getting out of bed for some reason.thats just the way it is nowadays.
     
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    I guess for me it would depend on how much of a friend the person whom you gave the permission to shoot there was. If he was a good friend then I would ask him what the hell happened. If not then I probably would not let them shoot there anymore at least until he proved himself worthy. Did you ask them what happened? If so, what did they say? If not, why not?

    However, and this is a huuuugggge however, you gave permission to a friend to shoot on your property and then he turned around a gave permission to others to shoot there as well. Am I reading that correctly? If so, I would be absolutely livid with that, he didn't have the common courtesy to even pick up the phone and ask me first if he could bring some friends along. He did not have that permission to give. That would have been the end of it there for me. I take something like that extremely serious especially when you are talking about shooting firearms.

    Like I said, if he was a good friend I would probably give him the opportunity to redeem himself and if not then most likely that would be the end. To bad I do not live close enough to you, I would jump at the opportunity to have a place like that to shoot for the cheap cheap price of some sweat and perhaps a blister or two. Hope it all works out for you and your family.

    Shawn
     
  24. achttung

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    If I were in their situation, with a private place to shoot for free, I'd be asking what I could do to help out with the place before you got the chance to ask for help.

    No excuse for bailing. Let them take care of themselves.... elsewhere.
     
  25. LJ-MosinFreak-Buck

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    When me and my buddies go and shoot, some of whom are unemployed, and don't own their own firearms. I don't mind taking them shooting, and they return the kindness and favor to me by helping me clean my firearms.
     
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