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No fly-no gun

Discussion in 'Legal' started by jsalcedo, May 19, 2005.

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  1. jsalcedo

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    http://www.newsday.com/news/nationw...0,773950.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-headlines

    WASHINGTON -- It's common sense that a person barred from flying on a commercial plane because of suspected terror links should not be able to buy a gun, Rep. Carolyn McCarthy said, and Tuesday she offered an amendment to a Homeland Security funding bill that would stop such purchases.

    But that measure and five others offered by McCarthy, including one that would prevent people convicted of felonies in foreign courts from owning firearms, failed to get the nod yesterday from the powerful Rules Committee, which decides what does and does not get debated on the House floor.


    "We're checking the shoes of 80-year-old grandmothers, but right now if you're on the no-fly list, you can still buy a gun," said McCarthy (D-Mineola), who is casting her signature issue, reducing gun violence, as one critical to the safety of the country.

    A spokeswoman for the committee said it selected about a dozen amendments, from more than 90 offered, that best "covered the different issues raised by the members."

    Andrew Arulanandam, the National Rifle Association's public affairs director, said he could not comment specifically on McCarthy's amendments. However, speaking generally, he said the amendments were deeply, conceptually flawed.

    Arulanandam said barring people from buying firearms because they are on a no-fly list could cause law-abiding citizens to "be denied their civil rights." He said people have been put on the list by mistake.

    "No one in the country, with the exception of a handful of people, knows the process of how to get on the list or off the list," he said, noting that the name of Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) once appeared on a no-fly list. It was later removed.

    Likewise, Arulanandam said, preventing people from buying firearms if they've been convicted of felonies abroad would be unworkable because standards vary around the globe.

    "In certain cultures, the very act of being a missionary is a serious crime," he said.

    While some of McCarthy's amendments were not immediately germane to the homeland security bill - such as closing the gun-show loophole that allows purchasers to avoid background checks and reinstating the assault-weapons ban - their outright rejection is illustrative of how inhospitable the climate is in Congress for any type of gun control legislation, political analysts and lawmakers of both parties said.

    "It's an issue right now that I would say there is no great enthusiasm for on either side," said Rep. Peter King (R-Seaford), who also has introduced a "no-fly/no buy" bill.

    Democrats have been skittish on gun control out of an unfounded concern that it was a loser for them, said Robert Zimmerman, a member of the Democratic National Committee from Great Neck.

    McCarthy said she's prepared to keep on fighting.

    "Though I work on a lot of issues, I know I'm here because of the gun issue. And I'm not going to give up."
     
  2. Gordon Fink

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    It’s also common sense that traitors should be in prison, but then who would run the government?

    ~G. Fink :cuss:
     
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  3. geekWithA.45

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    May your career be short, futile, and forgotten.
     
  4. unspellable

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    Barred?

    I have a better idea. People who have been convicted of a crime punishable by a sentence of one year or more should be barred from congress.

    (Ring any bells?)
     
  5. HankB

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    [sarcasm]Why shouldn't we punish people on the basis of suspicion? After all, the anonoymous bureaucrats who use secret criteria to add names to a confidential list have our best interests at heart in the fight against terrorism, right?[/sarcasm]
     
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    So, if you are on the "no fly" list, you should be barred from purchasing a gun? Nothing like putting due process in the hands of the TSA! :uhoh:

    And I was thinking about skipping the gun show coming up the first weekend of June. Think I'll go buy two guns. (Hey, any excuse). :D
     
  7. fletcher

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    ^ Agreed - Due process, anyone?
     
  8. Desertdog

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    And not even taking a second look at a guy that is 20 to 30 years old from a middle-eastern country carring a Quaran. :fire:
     
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    was she waving around a bunch of papers that she said contained the names of people on the list when she said this? :rolleyes:
     
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    One more HUGE agreement with respect to the due process argument! How someone can equate a denial of rights with the SUSPICION of terrorist inclinations is beyond me...
     
  11. gcerbone

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    Carolyn McCarthy has been a crazy loon ever since her husband was killed. You have to feel bad for her, but she has never even considered that if someone on the LIRR had been carrying concealed, then they could have shot Colin Ferguson dead and saved her husband.
     
  12. Standing Wolf

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    That kind of "sense" might be "common" in Beijing, but not in America.
     
  13. migoi

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    Maybe...

    it's something in the name (Carolyn McCarthy/Joseph McCarthy) that causes folks to go a bit nutter under the beanie.

    My brain is having a difficult time linking the searching of 80-year-old grandmothers and denying basic rights to folks only "suspected" of wrong-doing. If they had taken away one of my rights everytime I was suspected of something I'd be locked up many years past my actual departure from this mortal plane.

    migoi
     
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    Why do these folks insist on using the "terrorist" card for every little pet project they have. When was the last time a "terrorist" used a gun in this country? I exclude the idiots in the Beltway case because I don't think anyone ever labeled them as what most of us see as a conventional terrorist.

    The War on Terror is a lot like what a lot of folks on the business world are experiencing in complying with the Sarbanes-Oxley bill that was passed after the Enron, Tyco, et al scandals. If I need or want something, all I have to do is say it is for SOX compliance and I get it. No questions asked.

    Greg
     
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    More barking at the moon from the social police. People need to give this lady the boot.
     
  16. foghornl

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    Not that he would buy a firearm anyway, but didn't the esteemed Sen. Ted {"Where are my pants, my car, and my secretary?"} Kennedy end up on a no-fly list a few months back?


    Oh, yeah, Sen. McCarthy definitely needs "The Boot" from office.
     
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    the esteemed Ted

    Now Ted is a law abiding citizen. For example he doesn't pack iron into the capitol where it is prohibited. Instead he gets his body guard arrested for packing iron into the capitol building.

    (Concealment would be a lot easier if I could afford to hire a guy to tote iron for me!)
     
  18. HankB

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    Wrong - his bodyguard was apprehended carrying several unregistered, unlicensed, illegal (in D.C.) guns into the Russell Senate Office Building, not the Capitol.

    Of course, having some skill at evading criminal consequences himself, Chappquiddick Teddy got the guy sprung. :fire:
     
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    "Unfounded" concern?

    This guy has a SERIOUS case of denial working.
     
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    Don't take this personally, please, but I think you're neglecting to show enough respect to the Hero of Chappaquiddick.
     
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