No Guns allowed at Buffalo Wild Wings

[SaxonPig]

I have been to the Little Rock location a couple times because friends wanted to go. I don't really care for the food and the service is terrible.

But I have not noted the sign. I will look closely if I go back. May be an individual owner (are they franchised?) or regional manager thing.

 

[FAS1]

Was it a sign like this?

These signs are popular in TX especially in restaurants and convenient stores. To me it seems that they are making it clear that you are welcome if you are licensed to carry. They do not offend me or apply to me or anyone else with a CHL.

 

[Mt Shooter]

Moot subject here, If they serve no concealed carry. State law, odd thing is you can open carry. Couldn't convince our rep. how stupid it was, her answer was she not sure about guns in "bars" Ignoring the fact that open carry is okay. Open carry means you don't have a felony. CCW means you have been finger printed, back ground checked by ATF and the sheriff. Think it must have been the (D) after her name.

 

[CapnMac]

I'm curious. How do you know that they don't make more than 50% of their money from alcohol sales?

In Texas (OP's location) TABC (Texas Alcoholic Beverage Code) requires posting a sign in prominent view of entries of licensed establishments that are 51% or greater alcohol sales. TABC then has a raft of rule that only apply to those establishments. This is separate from CHL code, too.

 

[ClickClickD'oh]

Now I would like to ask you a simple question..... What is a 30.06 compliant sign?

Texas penal code section 30.06 sets the rules for the composition of a sign in order for it to carry the weight of law while prohibiting the carry of firearms. It is very specific as to the language and size of the lettering used. As a result, all the signs look identical... and are called 30.06 signs.

Was it a sign like this?

These signs are popular in TX especially in restaurants and convenient stores.

Ah, the good 'ol TABC signs, required to be displayed in any location that has a liquor license in the State of Texas. And you are quite correct, they have absolutely no bearing on anyone in Texas with a CHL.

 

[Toforo]

Thanks for your response and critique of the post "dogtown"!!!

Now I would like to ask you a simple question..... What is a 30.06 compliant sign?

Feel free to jab and break my post apart word by word if you want.

BOOMER SOONER

The Dove

Well - "signage" doesn't mean a lot with guns in same states and some areas.... open carry or otherwise

The only thing stupid was you loosing your cool over a sign that DOES NOT APPLY TO YOU OR ANY OTHER LAW ABIDING CITIZEN.
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Restaurants, their corporate or franchise ownership, and other businesses never seem to realize that how they portray their signage can effect their business.

 

[THe Dove]

Thanks CCD.

The Dove

 

[MEHavey]

What part of the intent of "concealed" is so difficult for those who are upset above?

If concealed, no one need ever know.
If there arises a bone-fide need to "un"conceal, ...those left alive as a direct result will ever complain.



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[wally]

I also explained to him that in Texas, a sign like his in a restaurant is not legally binding.
(Not a 50% alcohol place, not a 30.06 sign)

Then ignore it. Don't ask, don't tell!

As you said, its not legally binding.

 

[NMGonzo]

Their shop; their rules.

Vote with your money.

 

[Neverwinter]

Their shop; their rules.

Vote with your money.

Voting only works if there's more than option to vote for. If Buffalo Wild Wings is the only wing place in your area, it's their wings or no wings.

 

[GRIZ22]

I explained how his sign was an attempt to infringe upon my 2A rights.

A lot of people forget that a private individual or corporation is not required to respect any of your rights. The Constitution is there to protect the citizen from the government not from other citizens. If someone's "pursuit of happiness" is to not let anyone carry a gun, speak against the government, or wear a purple shirt on their property that is their right.

Their shop; their rules.

Vote with your money.
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This is the easy answer to the situation.

Voting only works if there's more than option to vote for. If Buffalo Wild Wings is the only wing place in your area, it's their wings or no wings.
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So you have to ask yourself which is more important to me, eating wings or carrying my gun.

 

[Neverwinter]

So you have to ask yourself which is more important to me, eating wings or carrying my gun

It's a false dichotomy if the sign does not carry the force of law.

 

[Deltaboy1984]

I have got to the point that if it is not a 50% sign or a Legal 30-06 I just ignore it and go in and eat. It is Concealed Carry and if they don't know you have it you have no problem.

 

[CPerdue]

We had something similar with a Carrabas here...sign was painted on the front window (this is Va., so the 30.06 discussion doesn't apply). Anyway, I emailed the manager and the sign went away. The point is, management does care.

I also got asked to leave a Hooters for no reason other than hoplophobia by the local manager. That time I sent a letter to their boss...ended up with Hooters doing some sponsorship at the local gun show. Same point.

 

[oneounceload]

Voting only works if there's more than option to vote for. If Buffalo Wild Wings is the only wing place in your area, it's their wings or no wings.

What, you can't cook?

First off BWW is rarely the first or only wing joint in town, search out local better alternatives.

Secondly, if you are SO adamant about this issue, why would you spend your money in a place that does not support your views?

 

[Apocalypse-Now]

I also explained to him that in Texas, a sign like his in a restaurant is not legally binding.
(Not a 50% alcohol place, not a 30.06 sign)

I explained how his sign was an attempt to infringe upon my 2A rights.

incorrect on both counts.

any business can ask you to leave (and not come back) for this, and many other reasons like "no shirt no shoes". it's their call.


also, just because a business has such a sign posted doesn't mean they're "assaulting the 2nd amendment". it's a liability issue, and their insurance company may require a sign to be posted.

many gunshops in my area don't allow either ccw or open carry for safety reasons. imbeciles will often take out their guns to show someone (loaded), or to try out a holster their thinking of purchasing. i'd rather not have this going on in my vicinity.

other gunshops will simply require you keep it concealed and in the holster.

obviously, i'm pro gun, but i understand why businesses post that sign, and i'd rather not get shot by some buffoon trying out his loaded gun in a holster at a gunshop. gun ownership does not automatically instill any sort of common sense or intelligence.

 

[knotquiteawake]

Isn't it better that they have some non-legally binding sign up to placate their lawyers? Maybe they have to have "a sign" and know that really that sign doesn't keep the legally carrying from legally carrying into their establishment. That way the lawyers ignorantly sleep peacefully and the well informed legally carrying citizens eat peacefully.

 

[Neverwinter]

What, you can't cook?

First off BWW is rarely the first or only wing joint in town, search out local better alternatives.

Secondly, if you are SO adamant about this issue, why would you spend your money in a place that does not support your views?

If I wanted to cook, I wouldn't be eating out, would I?

Secondly, if you are SO adamant about this issue, why would you spend your money in a place that does not support your views?

Merely a reminder to the less astute out there about their true choices instead of the artificially constrained view where a sign always means you can't carry.

 

[Zundfolge]

I explained how his sign was an attempt to infringe upon my 2A rights.

As has been well covered, only government can infringe on your 2A rights.

A better way to put it is to explain to the manager that posting a no-carry sign is an "in your face" political statement as there is ZERO legitimate health, safety or liability reason for banning lawful concealed carry, the only logical reason is that they're making a political statement and that statement is "People that don't support gun control should ****". Then ask if they really want to be making such a harsh and rude political statement, putting politics ahead of profits?

Most often these signs are required by insurance companies for liability reasons.

I hear this a lot but I have yet to see anyone post any proof of this. I suspect that often businesses that post don't have the stones to admit its the political statement it is and so they lie about what their insurance company requires.

Name for me one Insurance company with such a policy (I, and others on this forum, have been asking this question for years and nobody has ever come up with one).

 

[JustinJ]

"Voting only works if there's more than option to vote for. If Buffalo Wild Wings is the only wing place in your area, it's their wings or no wings."

Thats the attitude that got cigs banned in bars in Austin. There is no constitutional right to have buffalo wings available to you. If you don't like a businesse's policy either:
A. go somewhere else
B. don't go there
C. open one the way you want

 

[wally]

Voting only works if there's more than option to vote for. If Buffalo Wild Wings is the only wing place in your area, it's their wings or no wings.

Buffalo Wild Wings == Gringo wings! If that is all you got I feel sorry for you!

 

[Apocalypse-Now]

Voting only works if there's more than option to vote for. If Buffalo Wild Wings is the only wing place in your area, it's their wings or no wings.

find me a town in america where there's only one option for buffalo wings lol

 

[mrvco]

suggestion;
make him up a sign stating;
only law enforcement and patrons with valid concealed weapons permits are allowed to carry firearms on these premises.

explain to them that if a robbery occurs,a person with a ccw might save the day.robbers don't give a damn about signs,or the law.

I support the idea that a private business owner should be able to allow or disallow specific activities on their premises... the most obvious example where states and local municipalities got involved is smoking. In my opinion, someone should be able to open a bar that caters to smokers, rather than banning smoking in the bar and instead turning the sidewalk outside of every bar into a smoking section (for the record, I'm not a smoker).

There are always going to be business owners who, for one reason or another, regardless of whether it is to their business's detriment or not, don't want weapons (or smoking, or no shirt / no shoes, pets or whatever) on the premises and if that is how they want it then so be it, all you can do (or should be able to do in my opinion) is let them know you won't be patronizing them for that reason. Of course if their signs aren't legally binding and you CCW on their premises, then "don't ask, don't tell" and no one is the wiser.

All that being said, your suggested alternate sign would be a great compromise.

 

[razorback2003]

Flying under the radar has worked well for me for a long time. I carried a handgun before I had a license (yes it was legal under the circumstances) and I kept it concealed. No one knew. I still do the same in public and places can have their views too that may not affect me legally. What is hidden on me is no one else's business and will not hurt anyone. In that trade off, I don't expect anyone to frisk, pat me down, shake me down, or whatever because they may not agree with firearms. That's fine, because what is hidden on me quite well that person/business/govt/organizaation will not know about to disturb them.

If you get the right sized gun and right holster, you won't worry about people seeing your gun or other people's views about guns. You'll go about confident that you are protected and that is what matters. Other people's views amount to nothing. I could care less what other's think because it will not change what is in my pocket or on my ankle.