No more GOEX?

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  1. brewer12345

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  2. ThomasT

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    After looking at the price difference I would buy the two drum set up. And they are in stock at my local store. Dang! This powder making may turn in to a new hobby. :uhoh:
     
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    In my muzzleloader I cut my charge from 120 grain to 110 if I use 777. I personally don't care which I use. But I haven't wait a flint lock in 15 years.
     
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  4. Crunchy Frog

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    I’ve been using APP (American Pioneer Powder) for several years.

    I bought a fair amount of Alliant Black MZ when Sportsmans Warehouse had it on Clearance.

    The newest source is Shooters World Multipurpose Black (also made by APP).
     
  5. 4v50 Gary

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    The world mourns. Too bad they don't sell the operation.
     
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  6. Strainer

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    FWIW -Although not as good as BP, I have shot flintlock rifle with Pyrodex as a main charge, and 4FG BP in the pan. Traditions specifies this combination as OK in their flintlock rifles btw. Prefer BP of course.
     
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  7. ThomasT

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    There is always the old trick of a little 3F down the bore first and then the Sub powder on top. That will get your flinter lit up fast. I have done that with percussion loads when using Pyrodex. No hang fires ever. It only takes a small amount. I never even measure it.
     
  8. brewer12345

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    I tried pyrodex and I know it has a public, but I consider it a last resort option. I'd sooner make my own BP.
     
  9. n2omike

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    I always ran FFF in rifles, as BP is slow enough the way it is. Never an issue. Also used FFF in my pistol. The guns are an old CVA 0.50 caliber percussion Mountain Rifle. And the matching .50 Mountain pistol. I'm 53 and my dad bought the rifles for he, my brother and I as kits. BP was $5/lb back then. Came in a red and white metal can. Still have some.

    What I DO remember about it, is that li it is VERY COROSSIVE. Stuff would rust almost immediately. Had to flush the barrels in hot soapy water as soon as you got home. Prodex and the replacements are supposed to be a LOT more user friendly. HATE to see the supply close, but have no Flint lock guns or cannons... so luckily it won't affect me personally.
     
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    Black Powder itself is not actually corrosive, however it absorbs moisture which will facilitate rust.
    If you thought cleaning real BP was a pain or had to rush to beat the rust, just wait until you try Pyrodex.
    Pyrodex has a reputation even worse for causing rust and stubborn fouling.
     
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    Like many others this has pushed me to get started making my own. It may well turn out to be an interesting hobby to kill time over the winter.
     
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    Thanks for the information. May have to get some Pyrodex RS to conserve my 2FG and 4FG by using layered loads of BP with Pyrodex. (BTW, I have read elsewhere that 5 gr of 4FG down the bore followed by Pyrodex also works well as a layered load in a flintlock. IIRC 5gr of BP is case capacity of an empty 22 long rifle case, would make measurement of the BP part of the charge easy.)
     
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    Someone got a petition going asking to show Hodgden our support for their continuing to manufacture black powder. Whether it will do any good or not I don't know.

    https://www.change.org/p/hodgdon-powder-company-save-goex-ea06cc94-924c-4147-90ee-bbe92593f6f0?recruiter=1227817326&recruited_by_id=62ecbdf0-2044-11ec-8234-3d41d27b7473&utm_source=share_petition&utm_campaign=share_petition&utm_term=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_content=cl_sharecopy_30844857_en-US%3A3
     
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    About 200 yrs if kept dry and actually if gotten wet can dry out and still use it, as verified by people killed from playing with civil war cannon balls that are still active, also civil war era guns still loaded and powder still viable.
     
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    did not know civil war cannons with BP was still explosive. Did the canon balls have a delay fuse?

    I’m buying some BP just to keep some around!

    wait wait…. they make real BP and substitute. What brand are the real stuff?
     
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    Civil war cannon balls loaded with powder were usually detonated by a tapered fuse that came in several time increments. The fuse was inserted into an opening in the ball. It was ignited by the propelling charge. Other projectiles had percussion fuses that detonated on impact.
     
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  17. Zulch

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    Shuetzen is a manufacturer and Swiss if you cannot find any residual Goex anywhere. As of 8 AM EST, Track of the Wild has Swiss 3F in stock but you have to buy 25 lbs minimum. $37 a pound :thumbdown:.
     
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    25# min order ???? gezzz
     
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  19. Zulch

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    Yeah. exactly :uhoh:
     
  20. Captain*kirk

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    I can tell you for real that Graf's is totally out of BP stock except for Null-B. I got the last two pounds of Swiss 1.5
     
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  21. ziptar

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    I have 10lbs of Ole E. used to think maybe it'd last forever until I found out about this today. Now I'm wondering if it'll be enough. Went to MPH's website see if maybe I could order some more, the pop up that greeted me says it all.

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    Yes, I received a text from Pauline Tuesday morning. She said she had received over 850 orders Monday night and didn't know if there was enough stock to fulfill them, as they were filling the orders in sequence as received.
     
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  23. .38 Special

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    Jeez. So much for the idea that I can respond to the primer shortage by shooting my flintlocks.
     
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  24. troy fairweather

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    Time to buy a nice air rifle for plinking Unfortunately.
     
  25. ziptar

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    I put an order in, If it happens great. If not, oh well...
     
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