No More United Artist (UA) Theaters

[Modernhoglegs]

I took the daughter to the movies over the weekend.
When we arrived I noticed a brand new 30.06 sign on the doors.
For those outside Texas, the 30.06 sign is the legally required notice that must be posted to prevent CHL holders from carrying inside the business.

I called the manager, and politely asked where that decision came from, and the answer was it is a national policy change. I explained to him that I understood he is not to blame, and I was going to do what I can to let folks know their families are no longer safe in UA theaters, and my family will no longer be patronizing them.

I hope everyone will join me in this boycott.

 

[plodder]

I'm with you in spirit, but it's going to be pretty hard for me to boycott a business that I don't ever patronize anyway.

 

[Hometeached1]

I'm with you in spirit, but it's going to be pretty hard for me to boycott a business that I don't ever patronize anyway.

Same here, but they don't no that.

 

[moxie]

That is bad news!

 

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[Curator]

In Florida, (I'm not sure about Texas) a business can post a sign that prohibits the carrying of guns on their property. If you are on their property and if someone discovers you are carrying a gun, they can then legally ask you to leave their premises. Then, if you refuse, you can be charged with armed trespass, a felony. Note the several "IFs" in that statement. You can only be arrested and charged if you do not leave immediately upon being asked to do so. Simply being armed in defiance of their rule is not a crime.

This appears to me to be a lawyer's answer to their problem of liability. The only people who are evicted from their property will be tho ones carrying guns in a public or threatening way. They have not given "permission" for people to be armed, so any altercation involving gunfire involves infractions of their posted rules.

Personally, I believe that any establishment, public, private, or government that prevents people from having the means to be able to defend their life and well being should be held civilly liable for any damages or injuries suffered by their clients, patrons, or visitors from violent persons who do not obey the rules. Now, if only we could get various State legislatures to make this law.

 

[Fast Frank]

In Texas, The law is just a little different.

There are two ways it can go.

If there is a "No Guns Allowed sign", the rules are as Curator stated above.



Texas has another law where a really big, specifically sized and worded sign (Called a 30-06 for the law that covers it) is placed at all entrances to a building.



This sign carries full penalty of the law and must be obeyed.

If you find yourself talking to a cop because you ignored this sign, you are on your way to jail.

 

[Ks5shooter]

I cant carry anywhere in the fascist state of NJ.

 

[Curator]

FastFrank,

Thanks for clarifying this! I visit Texas occasionally and will pay better attention to the signs.

 

[FuzzyBunny]

Yes the 30.06 sign does carry some heavy weight.

Non 30.06 signs are just silly. But I boycott them anyway on principle.

 

[Ryanxia]

Thanks for the heads up, I don't believe we have any in the area but I will certainly add them to the mental list of businesses not to deal with.

You handled it well. Especially turning around when I'm sure your daughter was all ready to watch the movie.

 

[Modernhoglegs]

My daughter has been raised to think it odd if I head out the door and she does not see me perform a ready check on my edc before picking up my keys.
When she was 8 or 9 she went through a phase of asking to make sure I was heeled when we went out.

She knows about gun control, and the 30.06 sign. She usually points the signs out to me.
oh, for young eyes again.

She is only 12, but she knows what is what.
Makes me proud every day.

 

[Deltaboy1984]

If it is not and official 30-06 sign or a 51% sign I ignore them.

 

[HammsBeer]

What is a 51% sign?

 

[Modernhoglegs]

51%

The 51% sign is the official notice that a business makes more than 51% of their revenue from selling alcohol.

Places like Chili's have bars, but they don't qualify because most of their business is in food sales.

A bar would be a 51% place.

The law says the sign must be posted at the entrance, but I walked into a 51% place without knowing it because their sign was mounted on the ceiling inside the entrance. A chl holder would be in violation of the law before he could see the sign!

I beat a hasty retreat as soon as I saw the sign.

 

[JERRY]

you need to put that rant about UA theaters on facebook so it can shared over and over again...

 

[stompah]

Same thing with AMC Theaters. Corporate no guns policy. Haven't been since.

 

[9mmfan]

Fast Frank, what is particularly amusing about the 30.06 example you posted is that it contains a typo that renders it invalid (in theory at any rate, I surely wouldn't want to be the test case.) It states the code as "30.60."

Don't know if you used that example on purpose, but it kinda gave me a giggle.

 

[JohnKSa]

A chl holder would be in violation of the law before he could see the sign!

If you were to be arrested and prosecuted, per Sec. 46.035 (k) of the TX Penal Code: "It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (b)(1) that the actor was not given effective notice under Section 411.204, Government Code."

You have not been given effective notice until you can readily see the sign.

 

[ShelbyV8]

You should have called TABC about the 51% sign and the bar would have been in more trouble than you. The law is very specific how the sign must be posted and inside the door is not it.

 

[PabloJ]

I took the daughter to the movies over the weekend.
When we arrived I noticed a brand new 30.06 sign on the doors.
For those outside Texas, the 30.06 sign is the legally required notice that must be posted to prevent CHL holders from carrying inside the business.

I called the manager, and politely asked where that decision came from, and the answer was it is a national policy change. I explained to him that I understood he is not to blame, and I was going to do what I can to let folks know their families are no longer safe in UA theaters, and my family will no longer be patronizing them.

I hope everyone will join me in this boycott.

Becoming patron ballet & theatre would solve your problem. Did you realize where the wealthy hang out there are almost never any shootings. You know, like at fine art shows, dressage events and such..... Come to think dressage is actually more exciting than baseball!

 

[tarosean]

what is particularly amusing about the 30.06 example you posted is that it contains a typo that renders it invalid (in theory at any rate, I surely wouldn't want to be the test case.)

It doesnt follow the letter of the law. Like your self, Im not sure I would want to defend myself against it. Course if they messed that up its possible the letters are not even the correct size.

(A) a card or other document on which is written
language identical to the following: "Pursuant to Section 30.06,
Penal Code (trespass by holder of license to carry a concealed
handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411,
Government Code (concealed handgun law), may not enter this
property with a concealed handgun"; or
(B) a sign posted on the property that:
(i) includes the language described by
Paragraph (A) in both English and Spanish;

This is the sign I see most of the time... Course it can be ignored.

 

[Plan2Live]

In South Carolina

The SC Legislature only recently passed legislation allowing CWP holders to carry guns into restaurants (and bars) that serve alcohol for onsite consumption. The group Moms Demanding Action/Moms Demanding Gun Sense has hooked up with the League of Women Voters (who claim to be non-partisan) and are holding "informational" meetings with restaurant and bar owners and other merchants "educating" them on their ability to post legally enforecable signs. This is a well organized effort that appears to having some influence with business owners. Meanwhile, the CWP holders I talk to have little or no interest in starting or being involved in any organized pushback. If we don't act soon, and visibly, we will lose this reccently acquired privelege. The general state of apathy baffles me.

 

[gondorian]

Same thing with AMC Theaters. Corporate no guns policy. Haven't been since.

AMC theaters around me aren't posted as of about a month ago.

 

[gym]

When this nonsense hit FL, about 20 years ago, it lasted about 2-3 years, then all of a sudden the signs were gone, I seldom see any in South FL. The ones I do see aren't enforceable. Like no weapons allowed. And that is once a year if that. Winn Dixie had them up, and someone must have sued all of these chains, because they all came down around the same time.
But we have and had, very pro gun Governors here, "thank god" even though the sheriffs can be a little bitchy depending on the county.
Again that's why they call it concealed. Rather get sot by a maniac, or asked to leave a restaurant. If your gun is that noticeable you are doing something that's going to get you stopped anyway.