no need to carry anymore...

[geophysicishooter]

My question is... how does this stop a bunch of BG's from pulling this exact same drill and robbing the place or planting explosives or whatever bg's do all the while telling everyone on the street "Oh, no, it's ok, this is all just a drill. Go on about your business." and with tacticool precision, they hop back in the black SUV and drive away. a few seconds later... KABOOOM! another franchise coffee shop reduced to rubble..

all kidding aside, I agree with whoever said it above. I'm callin the cops, taking cover and dropping the safety if I see guys in kevlar toting assault rifles jumping out of a limo tinted black suburban..

Oh, by the way.. I don't know where to buy tin foil, will aluminum foil work instead..

 

[ZeSpectre]

"The response we usually get is, 'Holy s---!'" Nieves says. "That's the reaction we want. We are in the business of scaring people--we just want to scare the right people."

And with that statement we know that the terrorists have won in their plot to fundamentally change the way American lives and law enforcement operate.

 

[230RN]

siglight said:

I realize this seems tinfoil hat of me, but this reads like the idea is to desensitize residents to raids of this nature. To a potentially coming police state.

That's the first thing I thought of when reading the original post.

I'm with the tin or aluminum foil hat folks.

Appalling.

 

[average_shooter]

My question is... how does this stop a bunch of BG's from pulling this exact same drill and robbing the place or planting explosives or whatever bg's do all the while telling everyone on the street "Oh, no, it's ok, this is all just a drill. Go on about your business." and with tacticool precision, they hop back in the black SUV and drive away.

Was that movie Die Hard or Ocean's Eleven?

Kidding aside, I agree. Exactly how are the rest of us supposed to know it's SWAT and not just a bunch of terrorists who got their hands on some surplus gear?

 

[yesit'sloaded]

Exactly how are the rest of us supposed to know it's SWAT and not just a bunch of terrorists who got their hands on some surplus gear?

Silly, don't you know that terrorists don't have guns because they are illegal. This message brought to you by MiniTruth.

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

Maybe part of this is to discourage concealed carry. Out with your family (or alone), SUV comes screaching up, guys without badges with SMG's piling out, natural reaction is draw your weapon and try to find cover. Now you are target #1.

 

[v35]

Die Antwort, die wir normalerweise erhalten ist, "Heilige Scheiss!", sagt Herr Nieves. "Wir wünschen, das die Reaktion ist. Wir sind im Geschäft des Erschreckens die Leute, aber wir möchten erschrecken die richtige Leute."

Now it all makes sense!

Pardon my rusty German...

 

[collateral]

fascism has come to America.

The day that I see a black SUV roll up and a bunch of tacticool PIGS with subguns and body armor pile out is the day I am going to leave this country.

Totally f*cking unnecessary.

 

[Geno]

When I lived in Santiago, Chile (1986) there were extreme restrictions to firearms ownership. Yet, during that summer there were dozens, and mean dozens of attacks on the military, and military police, including blowing up the municiple building's entrance about 70 meters from our front door.

Even the total military power of Chile could calm the amlost daily machinegunkilling of police officers, and other military personnel, and the nearly daily bombings. These facts should cause the politicians great fear. Think about this. Project ahead to Hildabeast winning, taking away ALL firearms, and now only criminals and police have firearms. Who NOW do they blame?!

It happened in Chile...I lived under a military dictatorship! It ain't fun folks! Do not think it could never happen in America!!! It can!!!

Doc2005

 

[Archer1945]

I got a kick out of the remarks in the article that this will scare the terrorist. Not only that but the detective watching to see who is taking notes. Any terrorist worth the name is watching all this and taking notes mentally, it is only the NYPD officials who need the written notes, that is so they can show the NYC politicians they are doing something. Meanwhile the terrorists are discussing all the ideas the NYPD is giving them as to how to plan another attack.

From the comments being made on the article website I can just imagine those Popular Mechanics itself is getting.

 

[politicalgeek]

Be vwery, vwery quiet....we're hunting twerrorist....

(all credit to Robin Williams, I believe)

 

[yesit'sloaded]

The day that I see a black SUV roll up and a bunch of tacticool PIGS with subguns and body armor pile out is the day I am going to leave this country.

Funny thing is, exactly where would you go? This IS the land that people fled to when their natural rights were infringed. The EU is taking over Europe, Russia is becoming a dictatorship, the middle east is burning itself down, Israel looks nice on the surface, but is a socialist state in actuality. This is it, there is no other place with the same freedoms, which is why it is important that we don't loose them. It's time for the real patriots to rise up, vote, and shut these clowns down before it's "papers please". That is why it is so important to vote for a candidate with a real belief that isn't just feeding us what we want to hear.

 

[Green Lantern]

Hehehehehehe..."snub-nosed shotgun"

Glad that was good for a laugh, because I'm more than a little disturbed by the rest of it...

 

[Hazwaste]

"The response we usually get is, 'Holy s---!'" Nieves says. "That's the reaction we want. We are in the business of scaring people--we just want to scare the right people."

No, your business is to enforce the law within the bounds of the authority that the people have granted. Tactics that terrorize those for whom you're working have no place in a "free" nation.

 

[CB900F]

Fella's;

"This is scary. I can't fathom what the powers that be in NY are thinking. Not only scary but dangerious as well."

I'm going to posit that all the so-called "thinking" that was done by those "powers that be" was from a viewpoint totally unfamiliar with living in a second amendment society. Or, if not totally, then only familiar in the sense that they continue to be spoon-fed the opinions that their armed police want them to have.

It would seem that we are seeing a direct result of the Sullivan Act. Would that the proponents of that absurdity been tried for treason, convicted, and dispatched by whatever was the method of the era. Alas, that was not the case.

The people who investigated the physical structure of the World Trade Towers with the idea of destroying them by aircraft assault have absolutely shown us that they are not, repeat not stupid. I would imagine that the amount of planning involved to mousetrap several of these Hercules teams would be trivial in comparison. And think of the results they'd get. High volume gunfire in a dense urban enviroment. Satchel charge in the suburban would turn it into shrapnel. Casualties everywhere in the media's own backyard.

I don't think they thought it through. But then, they aren't equipped to, living as they do in the firearms free enviroment they've built.

900F

 

[fast eddie]

Some of the posts on this thread remind me of the old Kinks tune: Acute schizophrenia paranoia blues.

 

[poor_richard]

isn't this kinda the same idea behind concealed carry?

individual criminals never know what small percent of citizens packing, and terrorist cells never know when some random swat team will come by for a photo op

No. It isn't the same idea behind concealed carry. The two don't even come close to comparison.

 

[.41Dave]

"The response we usually get is, 'Holy s---!'" Nieves says. "That's the reaction we want. We are in the business of scaring people--we just want to scare the right people."

It ain't paranoia if they really are out to get you...

I do think a message to those elected and a grassroots movement restoring our Constitutional democratic Republic with it's built in checks and balances is about due...

There is one. Ron Paul's campaign. I think Ron Paul may be our best chance to change course away from the police state that the rest of the Republicans and Democrats are working overtime to bring to fruition in a feverish display of statist bipartisanship.

 

[SamTuckerMTNMAN]

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Some of the posts on this thread remind me of the old Kinks tune: Acute schizophrenia paranoia blues.
__________________

there will always be someone claiming paranoia even as they are carrying us away...

 

[ozwyn]

So, in a city where individual rights are more and more restricted, we have new police units who just cruise around in unmarked vechicles loaded for bear and every now and again make these fake commando JBT shows.

Sirs, put down the mall ninja gear and give back the constitution. Make no sudden moves please.

 

[Dorryn]

Wilkommen, Sturmtruppe!

 

[distortion9]

1. Disarm the public....CHECK!

2. Authorize "Stop and Frisk" procedures....CHECK!

3. Create elite "Special Police" team....CHECK!

Scary times indeed.

I was born in the Bronx N.Y. and lived there till I was a teen. Later, I moved out to Long Island, first Nassau County and now I'm in Suffolk. I'm proud as hell to be from NY and it saddens (often times, ANGERS) me to see NY take such a verbal beating when I go on various message boards. Unfortunately, the beatings have become more and more deserved.

New York is an amazing City, especially this time of year. You'll be hard pressed to find a better place on the planet to visit during Christmas time. It's just a shame that the laws and politics are such that it turns people off from visiting. I'm not just talking about you....I'm talking about myself as well. I simply don't go into the City anymore. I'm not paranoid and I'm not afraid, my morals will simply not allow me to support a system I don't believe in.

What makes matters worse is that nothing can be done to change things. I write my letters I vote, make phone calls....in reality, it means nothing and I can't afford to become a full time activist. I won't stop doing my part but we're just out numbered. I hate to sound so pessimistic but, math is math.


"Hercules team"....Jesus, help us.

 

[ZeSpectre]

New York is an amazing City, especially this time of year. You'll be hard pressed to find a better place on the planet to visit during Christmas time.

Former New Yorker... I'm afraid we'll just have to agree to disagree.

What makes matters worse is that nothing can be done to change things. I write my letters I vote, make phone calls....in reality, it means nothing and I can't afford to become a full time activist. I won't stop doing my part but we're just out numbered. I hate to sound so pessimistic but, math is math.

Which is why I'm a -former- New Yorker.

I've seen police forces becoming so militarized that I'm starting to wonder if they should now fall under the Posse Comitatus Act.

 

[dhoomonyou]

BS, play acting by the jack booted thugs in the NYPD.

Make my tin foil hat extra large please.

let NYers exercise 2A rights!

 

[ZeSpectre]

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