No weapons allowed

[Vern Humphrey]

I agree whole heartedly, no one there will be coming to my funeral, or that of my family or friends. When they can guarantee my safety I will leave my guns at home.

And that is why I say anyone who denies you the right to bear arms automatically assumes an absolute liability for your safety.

Look at it this way, if you have a swimming pool in your yard, and a local child climbs over the fence and drowns, who's at fault? You are -- for maintaining an "attractive nuisance."

A store or place of business is there to ATTRACT customers. If it fails to protect them, it is liable.

 

[herrwalther]

Signs do not carry the weight of law in Alabama. At most, if discovered carrying, I could be asked to leave and only get into legal trouble if I refuse. Even postings at hospitals site the state statute that makes exemption for licensed permit holders. So by and large I ignore them.

 

[oneounceload]

And when you come back to the parking lot and find the window of your car smashed?

Leaving a gun in a car is a good way to get it stolen. So I simply don't go places where I can't carry.

How so? Who is going to see it?

You KNOW it's wrong to leave a gun in an unattended vehicle.

And if you are out and about and have to go to PO, you bring it inside?

I usually leave one in my car ALL the time besides one I carry. It is not in plain sight, the car is locked when I leave and parked in a garage at night. No problems

 

[Snejdarek]

When a sign is posted No Weapons Allowed, and you are carrying what do you do? Go in or bring your weapon to the car.

Easy answer in the Czech Republic. Leaving the gun in the car would be illegal (car does not meet the safe storage requirements) while apart from Court Houses (Parliament, etc.) the no gun signs have no legal relevance. So carry on is the only option.

 

[Jason_W]

I'd never leave a firearm in a vehicle unattended. Cars and trucks are just way too easy to break into. I would respect the wishes of the owners of the establishment and not bring a firearm onto their property. I'd just find another place or, if the distance wasn't too great, drop my gun off at home and go back.

 

[Sauer Grapes]

Signs? I don't read no stinking signs.

 

[Gun Master]

I don't facilitate restaurants, grocery stores, etc. that have this posted.

Medical facilities ( hospitals, doctor's offices, etc.), post offices, and other gov'ment "reservations" is another matter.

I live in Tennessee, so what are my choices ? I feel very vulnerable when I don't have the right to protect myself and my family.

 

[george burns]

Never leave a gun in your car unless you have a safe or vault bolted to the floor. If some kids steal your car, and use your gun in the commission of a crime, you are done for.

 

[stonecutter2]

It would be a very sad day that you chose to go unarmed --- and that "gun free zone" sign did not work and a bad person came in WITH A GUN,and took your life.

Just my 00.02 cents.

Uhh, yes it would be. But life is fraught with peril. I accept that. I take far more risk with my life driving my car each day, then disarming occasionally to go into a place.

 

[stonecutter2]

If you do something you know is likely to end badly, you can hardly call that "blame the victim" mentality. You KNOW it's wrong to leave a gun in an unattended vehicle.

Leaving a gun in a locked vehicle is not "wrong."

What's wrong is that people smash windows and steal stuff from cars.

 

[Sam1911]

Leaving a gun in a locked vehicle is not "wrong."

What's wrong is that people smash windows and steal stuff from cars.

This gets touchy and has many shades of grey between black and white. We have to straddle a fine line between "blaming the victim" and figuring out how to "refuse to be" one.

It would be wrong for someone to steal your gun if you left it lying on a lawn chair in the middle of your front yard. But that would be a stupid place to leave one. People steal stuff left out in the open all the time. We all know this.

It would be wrong for someone to steal your gun if you left it in your purse or shoulderbag unattended on a bench in a public park. But that would be a stupid place to leave one. People steal unattended bags with near perfect regularity. We all know this.

It would be wrong for someone to steal your gun if you left it in your unlocked car, or on the front seat or dashboard of your car, but those would be stupid places to leave them. Cars are absolute theft magnets. We all know this.

Now it would be wrong for someone to steal your gun out of your belt holster, or out of your gun safe at home. But those AREN'T stupid places to leave one because they're the best you can reasonably do to protect them.

Leaving it in a car in a parking lot at the post office for a 3 minute drop off?
Leaving it in a car in a parking garage while you shop for 4 hours?
Leaving it in a car parked at your farmhouse in the middle of 500 acres?
Leaving it in a car parked on the street in your suburban or urban neighborhood?
Parked under a security camera?
Parked outside your apartment?
Put it in one of those little lock boxes?
Hide it under some rags and junk mail?

Shades of grey. Some of us just WON'T. Some will roll those dice every day.

 

[Surly]

No weapons? LMFAO!

I can't carry a firearm in a gubmit building, but I carry a pen and my belt with a steel belt buckle.

Any other business with 'victim zone' signs don't get patronized or get ignored if need be. The only place I can think of that has that is a Block Buster, IIRC, which I never have frequented anyway. In SD, they can kindly ask me to leave if I break their sorry rule.

 

[Mainsail]

No weapons allowed Seems vague to me, since pretty much anything, including many items already in the store, are or could be used as weapons.

No Firearms Aloud Sorry, my sidearm is completely silent.

No Fire Arms Allowed These are fire arms:

No Firearms Allowed Meh, we can ignore this request.

The great thing is that more and more we're noticing a slide toward most people not knowing how to spell or use proper grammar. The ability to string a bunch or words together into a proper and intelligible sentence has actually become a go/no-go gauge for hiring.

 

[george burns]

In NYC, it was illegal to leave your weapon in your vechicle. Laws are different in every state, when I moved to FL several of the laws I NY were the opposite. But being that in NY a Corvette has a 30 minute life expectancy if parked on the street,
Which I can attest to, having one stolen right in front of a club, under a street lamp in a bus stop. It would just be reckless to assume that it won't happen again, since people have gotten worse in the past 30 years. And how can you enjoy yourself if you have to not just worry about the car, but also the gun.
It doesn't compute to me in the least, to do something that can be avoided so easily. To have someone suffer or die because I left my gun in my car is something that no matter how you look at, makes no sense if it can be avoided.
The first thing cops ask you if you had a gun theft, is , were the guns locked up? I think you could be in serious trouble if you took no precautions to secure you gun other than locking your car door. And a good lawyer could probably take everything you own, should that theft lead to a crime or death.
I would have lost both, along with my license to carry. So that night it was the right selection, to leave the gun home, on another night it may have not been. I did learn not to ever take a gun with me if I intended to go to a bar unless it was a restaurant, and I was having dinner and 1or 2 drinks only over a few hour period.
As I have been in a restaurant when a drunk or stoned Colombian man shot a police Captain in the head in front of 100+ people because he thought he was eyeballing his girl friend. So it's a tough call going unarmed.

 

[JTHunter]

In Illinois, we are "forced" to leave our guns locked and "out of sight" in our vehicles if a business is posted.

And, to post, all they have to do is put up a little 4" x 6" sign using the format provided by the state police.

AND it DOES have the "force of law". We can lose or permits if we violate it.

 

[Gun Master]

Cruddie State Laws

In Illinois, we are "forced" to leave our guns locked and "out of sight" in our vehicles if a business is posted.

And, to post, all they have to do is put up a little 4" x 6" sign using the format provided by the state police.

AND it DOES have the "force of law". We can lose or permits if we violate it.

Yuck !
(Does it make you want to move ?)

 

[Torian]

The fact that the government teaches it doesn't mean it's effective. After all, in an active shooting event or a terrorist attack, it automatically means SOMEONE dies -- and the rest of us hope it won't be us.

Indeed. As a DoD employee, I can tell you that the government is more risk averse than ever. The Feds refuse to acknowledge that arming us could allow us to defend ourselves more quickly against an active shooter threat than responding security forces.

There continues to be a lively debate within the DoD as to the effectiveness of "gun free" zones on Federal property. You generally won't see it on the news however.

 

[scaatylobo]

Reality

IF [ yea a HUGE if ] if, a person in Sydney Australia had been armed in that coffee shop ----- do you think any but the perp would have died ?.

I do know that CONSTANT practice is required,and I for one do that.

But I am sad that any innocents died due to an inability --- or CHOICE of being armed.

 

[.455_Hunter]

In Colorado, the basic '"No Weapons" signs are just management suggestions on recommended behavior, and are legally no different than "No Outside Food" or "No Bare Feet". They are really meaningless, unless an agent of the company/property owner asks you to leave, then you must comply or face a trespassing charge. Keep you weapon concealed, don't act like an idiot, and you will be fine. Very rarely seen in normal retail locations nowadays, usually on obscure Mall "Code of Conduct", some movie theaters or large event venues (where security checkpoints maybe in place). Some local government have prohibited open carry in official buildings or parks areas, but these mean nothing for concealed carry. Of course, Federal restrictions remain in effect.

 

[Snejdarek]

But I am sad that any innocents died due to an inability --- or CHOICE of being armed.

It is fairly easy to get a CC license in the Czech Republic. Yet most people feel safe enough they never apply for it, and I'd say that even most of those who do have the license don't carry regularly. We have shall issue CC license but had it been a coffee shop in Prague, the chances of any customer being actually armed are pretty slim.

From what I understand Australia has also fairly low crime rates like the Czech Republic. When most people feel safe, they won't bother with carrying a piece around even when there is an occurrence of a nutjob like this now and then.

At the same time, however, I agree with you - all people should have the CHOICE not to carry.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

That is the important question. You should have the CHOICE.

Many homes, for example, do not have fire extinguishers, but at least there are no laws preventing those who want one from having one.

 

[RustyShackelford]

"Don't act like a idiot.".....

I think the advice; "Don't act like a idiot." is good advice nearly anywhere whether you are armed or not.

Being discreet or acting like a mature adult can go a long way.

 

[Zach S]

That is the important question. You should have the CHOICE.

Many homes, for example, do not have fire extinguishers, but at least there are no laws preventing those who want one from having one.

Yet, ironically, in commercial properties they're required...

 

[Gun Master]

Ironic Justice

Below the "No Weapons Allowed....." sign, it would be nice (if legal) to post your own sign, "None of My Money Allowed Here Either".

Would never work, but one can dream.


As best I can, I don't spend money there.

 

[Reinz]

When a sign is posted No Weapons Allowed, and you are carrying what do you do? Go in or bring your weapon to the car.

There's a reason it's called CONCEALED carry.

I carried concealed for 20 yrs before concealed carry was legal in Texas. Never had an issue.
The trick is, don't let 'em see your gun.