Non-1911 All-Metal .45acp Options?

[amprecon]

I got to thinking about who makes all metal, non-1911 pistols in .45acp anymore?

I found the Sig 220, but I could not find any all metal, non-1911 pistols by any of the major pistol manufacturers anymore, anywhere......what gives?

The 1911 market is so swollen with everyone's flavor-of-the-month version but what happened to Ruger's P90? S&W's 4516/4506? Beretta's Cougar? What gives? Were their non-1911 offerings such poor seller's that they had to jump into the already flooded 1911 pistol market?

I don't get it.

Oh wait, CZ makes an all metal non-1911 one that weighs about 5 lbs, that's two.......

 

[txgunsuscg]

Stoeger now makes the Cougar in .45 also. The CZ97 and P220 you mentioned (there are 2 97 models and 11 P220 models). S&W still has .45ACP revolvers.

Beretta is out of the .45 all-metal market. Taurus is too, at least according to their site. Ruger is as well.

I think people have just been brainwashed into thinking that polymer is the only way to go... I still carry all metal guns, but I'm used to it by now...

 

[trickyasafox]

cz97 as previously mentioned, EAA also has the witness line.

 

[intercooler]

I love my Witness guns. Don't like 1911's though?

 

[intercooler]

Gotta plug when you can:

 

[jp9mm]

Very happy with my new P220

 

[9mmepiphany]

My choice in an all metal non-1911 is the Sig 220...either alloy framed or all stainless

Were their non-1911 offerings such poor seller's that they had to jump into the already flooded 1911 pistol market?

Most manufacturers jumped into the polymer .45 market

 

[PabloJ]

Look into second-hand Smith & Wesson 745, 4506, 4516.... plus bunch of alloy framed stuff. Had hobo version called 457 it must have been pretty good as I just picked up stainless slide version of that. I can buy whatever I want yet I keep coming back to compact S&W but do not know why.

 

[NWcityguy2]

There just isn't that much of a demand for it. If people want a heavy 45 caliber gun they get a 1911. If people want a heavy 45 caliber gun with more capacity, they get a double stack 1911. The rest of the market belongs to Plastic Fantastic. They are cheaper, simple in design, don't carry any of the stigma's of a 1911 and aren't wearing out any time soon.

I just wish someone would design a from the ground up non-1911 pistol that has a 1911 trigger. It could even use 1911 mags for all I care. But for me give me a ramped barrel, external extractor, no barrel bushing and SA push trigger that doesn't try to make it all work within the confines of the 1911 platform.

 

[Walkalong]

CZ97B. Awesome gun.

 

[PabloJ]

Shot something similar looking to 1911 from Mexico City. I remember gun origin because conversation turned to Leo Trotsky. Very impressive pistola while it resembled 1911 the "guts" were totally different. I have never seen another like it.

 

[BigSteve57]

I absolutely love my Sig P220 Elite Stainless.
I have a pair with consecutive serial numbers.
Not 100% USA though: frame was made in Germany.

 

[JHenry]

the baby eagle is all metal, along with its big brother

o forgot the 45 acp part my bad

 

[PX15]

My choice in a 45 ACP used for self defense. My CS45 is often carried in a FIST iwb holster..

 

[txgunsuscg]

There just isn't that much of a demand for it. If people want a heavy 45 caliber gun they get a 1911. If people want a heavy 45 caliber gun with more capacity, they get a double stack 1911. The rest of the market belongs to Plastic Fantastic. They are cheaper, simple in design, don't carry any of the stigma's of a 1911 and aren't wearing out any time soon.

I just wish someone would design a from the ground up non-1911 pistol that has a 1911 trigger. It could even use 1911 mags for all I care. But for me give me a ramped barrel, external extractor, no barrel bushing and SA push trigger that doesn't try to make it all work within the confines of the 1911 platform.

Kinda funny that you say the plastic guns are "simple in design," implying that the 1911 isn't. The 1911 has minimal moving parts, especially compared to the double action metal guns that are running around right now.

For this theoretical gun, would you still want single action only? Because if not, I believe you will eliminate the push type trigger and would have to go to a hinged trigger. Then again, some single actions use a swing trigger anyway (Browning's other design being a prime example).

I wouldn't be hard to combine the 1911 with a Hi-power. Now, would anyone do this? Probably not, because the costs would likely outweigh the gains. Combine the 1911 lower (minus that stupid grip safety) with a Hi-Power upper, and you get the ergonomics of the 1911 with an external extractor, ramped barrel, and no bushing. You could even use a double stack 1911 lower. It would be like a brick, but whatever. Anyway, I'm not a machinist, I just come up with dumb ideas for others to explore.

 

[Mr.Blue]

Just for the record, the CZ 97B is approximately the same weight as a Government 1911.
It's a great gun! It's almost as accurate as a high end 1911. I have the 97BD version that comes with night sights, rubber grips, and a de-cocker. I love my 1911's, but this gun is no slouch.

 

[Fishslayer]

The 1911 market is so swollen with everyone's flavor-of-the-month version but what happened to Ruger's P90?

Discontinued along with the 9mm P89. Big mistake IMO.
I'm not a fan of the P345 and all the safety "features."

 

[GCBurner]

Then, of course, there's the trusty, all-metal Stallard JS-45.

 

[dave2]

Last summer I was thinking I wanted to shoot a .45 cal pistol and since everyone seemed to be buying 1911s I wanted something different.

My buddy Robert always raved about his Sigs ... so at a local gun show I met a dealer in Sig pistols and he had three P220 models - a full size, a carry, and the smaller one. I bought the full size P220 with night sights. It feels much different than the XD9 that I have been shooting. I am getting used to the P220 now and shoot it every couple of weeks. Its got a good solid feel and a very good long term reputation.

Dave