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Non-"Assault Rifle"-looking pistol caliber carbines?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by jpruitt, Jun 19, 2017.

  1. jpruitt

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    It seems like most pistol caliber carbines I'm seeing these days have-and I hesitate to use the term because it's not accurate, but hopefully you'll know what I mean-an "assault rifle" look. Are there any in current production with more traditional rifle aesthetics, like the old Marlin Camp Carbine or the Ruger PC9/40?
     
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  2. Tirod

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    Ruger 10/22? In the beginning they were all bolt actions based on the Remington.

    Now they are an answer for those not wanting to buy an SBR stamp and that is where the focus of the market is centered. Basically a semi auto battle carbine sans stock.

    The "difficulty" is that there are very few other receivers for sale stripped or sans "rifle" designation to fashion into a pistol. When the market is focused on the AR15 and AK47, about all you get are "assault pistol" looks.

    There is also the implied use of the resulting firearm as expressed in the lack of stock. It's hard to get away from our collective impression of what the purpose of the gun will be. Even if you disguise it as a prop from Planet of the Apes it's going to be seen as a Personal Defense Weapon and there's the rub. It's much larger and bulkier than a handgun and because of that will be seen as possibly using a rifle cartridge - which makes it "high powered." Add a magazine for feeding and we wind up right back where we started.

    If it appears to be a gun then somebody is going to be "offended" anyway. And most of us don't plan on paying extra just to avoid "appearances" when where and how we use it is our business, not theirs.

    I can use my 16" 6.8SPC for hunting (if I could pry it out of my youngest son's hands) or I can use the AR Pistol which is also effective at the ranges I can see deer in the broken hilly woodlands I hunt. Both look like "deadly assault weapons" to some people regardless. Not my problem. If they want to come out to the woods and act as my beaters moving the game, I welcome their help.

    The "looks" of a pistol and appearing offensive to someone is their intellectual resolution, not my guideline on what I can do.
     
  3. jpruitt

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    Hmm...either you didn't understand what I was asking or I didn't understand your response. I'm asking about rifles that shoot calibers like 9mm, .45, etc that are normally considered pistol calibers. Most of the rifles like that these days look like ARs, or at least have a "tactical" look. I'm looking for rifles that shoot pistol calibers that look more like traditional rifles.
     
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    there's a variety of Lever Action Carbines in pistol calibers, but I assume you're asking about semi- auto carbines.

    there's always the M1 Carbine- available in 9mm, as well as .30 carbine (which, IMO, is a bit much to call a pistol caliber, though there are pistols that chamber it). I've a notion that someone, once upon a time, offered it in .45acp as well.
     
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    Not semi automatic but have you ever considered some of the nice lever guns that are available in pistol calibers like 38 Spl.-.357 Mag. and 44 Mag.... They're light, handy, fun and carry a decent number of rounds and offer quick follow-up shots.
     
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    What about the original Cowboy "assault rifle". Not semi-auto, but a Rossi 92 is relatively good value for money (they take a bit of finishing) and a 16.5" model in 44 Mag or 45 Colt gives you plenty of firepower in a very light, very handy little rifle that even the dumbest member of the media would be hard pressed to call an "assault rifle".
     
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    Another vote for a good leveraction in .357 or .44, but the Ruger's can still be found on the market and they were great rifles. The M1 Carbine is always loved in my household and the caliber is a good bridge between a 9mm and a full sized rifle cartridge. Ammo cost and availability become a factor though. Older Ruger Deerfields in .44 are also pretty sweet rifles.

    Now if I could dream a bit.... I really wish Ruger would reintroduce the Deerfield and add .357 mag caliber. That would be a very sweet rifle!
     
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    ...........and they go from Condition 3 to ready quickly, with either hand.
     
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    Ruger may have something coming out in the next few months.
     
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    They look a lot like a 10-22.
    'cept for the business end :cool:
     
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    Don't tease. :D
     
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    I'm not aware for any still in production. The Beretta CX4 Storm is probably the least "tactical" looking for the semi-autos, but I don't think you can get one with a tradtional wood stock unless you're fine with a lever action, and I think Uberti offers a pump in .357.

    I'm still kicking myself for not getting a Marlin Camp I saw for sale around me a year ago. Of course the early 80's Marlin .357 lever gun I got instead is pretty sweet as well.
     
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    I still don't understand why Marlin and Ruger don't bring their carbines back. If they could keep the price AR competitive seems like they would sell a ton of them. I had a Camp Carbine in .45 acp back in the mid '90s and have always regretted selling it.
     
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    Marlin Camp 9 and Camp .45, if you can find one and have the $$$.
     
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    Yeah, do you know something we don't? Is there a Ruger American Carbine on the horizon? :what:
     
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    Chiappa makes a 9mm M1 Carbine.
     
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    Call me crazy, but I think it has something to do with not making any money on them
     
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    Ruger is always testing the market. I see a semi auto in a pistol cartridge coming soon. It looks like a PC9 but my crystal ball is starting to get a little hazy.:D
     
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    The ruger talk is teasing me. I'd buy an sr9 if they made a carbine to go with it.
     
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    As long as it isn't an AR based PCC from Ruger, I'm very interested.
     
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    It is a gun range toy. The short sight radius makes it less accurate than it could be. I am still debating a red dot on mine.

    Feeding is finicky at best. As long as you don't go slowly with the bolt it usually feeds.

    But a bolt action 45acp is very fun.
     
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    30 carbine uses a good bit less powder than 357 Magnum. It keeps the spirit of a PCC. 9mm is much cheaper though...
     
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    That's cool. I like a 450 Bushmaster Mauser Carbine. That would be a super pig gun!
     
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    It's about 12 grains as opposed to 14 in a 357. Velocity is 1900 fps where a 357 with an 18" barrel is about 1500. The problem with the 30 carbine, if you want to find one, is the bullet weight. 357 is probably the most versatile hand gun cartridge ever developed. 125 grn to 180. You can even load shot in one and it works pretty well out to about 7 yds for vermin control.:D I load for both.
     
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