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non biased firearm reviews

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by jonc, Sep 18, 2008.

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  1. jonc

    jonc Member

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    I know this has been covered before but I can't find it for the life of me. What is a name of the magazine that has non-biased reviews of firearms? Thanks
     
  2. Bubbles

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    Gun Tests
     
  3. NavajoNPaleFace

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    I discontinued Gun Tests when it was reported they test weapons donated to them by the companies.

    Hardly impartial, IMO.

    I enjoy the reviews from The Rifleman.
     
  4. ZeSpectre

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    I'm pretty impartial, what should I test? <just kidding>.
     
  5. SCKimberFan

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    I am more than willing to accept donated guns and test them for anyone. I will be impartial. Promise.
     
  6. Loosedhorse

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    Warning: flame of Gun Tests follows

    I liked the mag at first. They're kinda flooky and idiosyncratic (will say both guns performed and cost the same, and rate one WAY lower than the other), but hey, that's opinions, right?

    Then, in April '06 they did a review of the Ruger Alaskan revolver (snubby Super Redhawk), caliber .454 Casull. They rated it "our pick." What's the catch? The NEVER TESTED IT WITH .454 AMMO, only .45 Colt: "We were confident we wouldn’t be able to damage the Alaskan with .45 Colt ammunition."

    I sent them the following note:

    Never printed it. Never emailed me. Cowards can't take the whoopin' they earned.

    Then, one of their writers, Ray Ordorica, APROPOS of NOTHING, printed a gratuitous swipe at Peter Capstick, the noted African hunter and author:

    Capstick had been dead 12 years by the time they published this in 2008, which makes it impolite at least (don't speak ill of the dead), and cowardly and cruel at worst (because Capstick can't defend himself, and his family may bear the brunt of those words).

    I wrote again, pointing out the poor etiquette, and the fact that Ordorica had provided no substantiation for his opinion other than suggesting that readers contact "my friends at Holland & Holland."

    Again, no word.

    Hey, everyone makes mistakes. But when they seem to stem from laziness (don't test a .454 Casull revolver with .454 Casull ammo?) or cowardess (attack a guy dead 12 years?) AND THEN CAN'T ADMIT THEIR MISTAKES...well, my conclusion is that these are not classy folks, and I'll keep my money, thanks.

    :cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss:
    END OF FLAME
     
  7. Furncliff

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    Whoa Loose don't hold back...


    I don't know the people you named, nor do I shoot the big iron. But I sure as hell enjoyed your tirade:)





    and I'll not buy Gun Test either.
     
  8. jonc

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    hmm that is a shame, I'm getting sick of all the mags they sell at the grocery store that says everything is great all the time.
     
  9. Caliban

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    this is a great euphemism, and i plan to steal it.
     
  10. Tribal

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    I'd avoid GunBlast, too. As far as I can tell, every single gun out there is apparently clever, innovative, fun to shoot, worth getting, and often something the writer ended up buying for himself (although the article writer rarely does this more than once per review).

    I trust THR and TFL (plus some individual forms like KTOG) to have small-scale reviews by people who've actually used the products, often in innovative (as in "dangerous" and "uncalled-for") ways. When they bought the new MasterBlaster, what did it come with? How did it feel in their hands and the hands of their range buddies? Were there any major malfunctions? Do you still have the gun, or did you sell/trade it to someone for another gun instead?
     
  11. RPCVYemen

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    Did you ever determine if this was true? Does the truth make any difference to you?

    Mike
     
  12. Loosedhorse

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    I think forums such as this one...

    may not give you IMpartial opinions, but multiple PARTIAL opinions from all directions are almost as good.

    I do like American Rifleman, and American Handgunner--they like to show pretty pictures, but if the pistol had an 8 lb trigger and it s-cked, they'll say so. In a nice way: "The only draw-back was the 8lb trigger, which really ought to addressed in a pistol of this price range."
     
  13. Duke Junior

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    I've been subscribing to Gun Tests for 14 years because I've always believed in their veracity when they claim(ala Consumer Reports)that they buy all the firearms they test.I've never heard anything about guns being donated to the magazine by manufacturers.
    Where did this report come from?
     
  14. Aguila Blanca

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    Of itself, that's no worse than any other gun rag that gets the test guns provided for free. The problem with Gun Tests is that they have never acknowledged that they get (or got -- past tense?) some of their guns for free. They continue to advertise that they buy everything they test and that they are, therefore, completely impartial.

    If they're going to start off with a lie, how can I believe anything in the article?
     
  15. Hunter0924

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    I believe the m1911.org ezine to be unbias.
     
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    There is no such thing as an unbiased review.
     
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    I used to subscribe to Gun Tests a long time ago, but got sort of tired of their testing of guns, pronouncing a model bad or excellent based on one copy of each examined. I've seen enough factory rifles to know that they vary within models from gun to gun. What really sealed the deal for me was when they tested hunting bullets and proclaimed the Nosler Partition as unsatisfactory because of low retained weight. I'm sure that the animals that have ended up in someone's freezer after interaction with a Nosler Partition might agree that retained weight ain't the whole story.

    Asking people who have owned and used an item of interest is probably the best way to learn about it. Everyone who tests anything bases their evaluation on what they think is important, which may not be what YOU think is important. Doesn't matter if it's cars, guns, or tvs.

    JMHO :evil:
     
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    NavajoNPaleFace, this is a standard practice for magazines of this type. How do you think Consumer Reports gets all their items to test? The same goes for the car test magazines. None of these groups go out and purchase everything they're going to test, it would be far to expensive.
     
  19. Chuck Spears

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    Such a thing will never exist. When I want written opinions or reviews I seek out individuals on a forum or someone with an independent firearm blog. Magazines are a business. And building a business on the principle of providing solid honest gun reviews is a sure way to bankrupt that business. I still buy some gun rags here and there but only to get base information (specs, etc) and pics of new guns. I don't buy a single word of their opinions on how it shoots or whatever.
     
  20. Caliban

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    i think it's important to understand what gun reviews are good for and what they aren't.

    the fact is, any gun review, whether the gun in question was donated or bought or found in the street, is a review of ONE COPY of that gun. it could be a good copy of a bad gun or a bad copy of a good gun, meaning the reviewer could see more or fewer malfunctions than you ever will if you buy it. you cannot really expect to get a good idea of whether a firearm is reliable from one copy (unless it's REALLY bad, i guess). the only way to get that is a large sample size. even a crappy gun will really only fail in a small percentage of instances, and even lousy quality control will only result in a small fraction of guns that malfunction.

    however, what you CAN get a good idea of from a review is a user interface. whether the gun's controls are laid out logically, whether the grip is big or small, whether it's balanced or not... things that will be the same on every single copy of a gun.

    this is the truth. you need a large sample size to come to any conclusion. read reviews with a grain of salt.

    as a disclaimer, i don't mean this to apply to extreme circumstances of poorly made guns. but in an age where a $100 hi-point can be realistically considered reliable, most guns that you see sitting on a shelf will not be true pieces of junk.
     
  21. RPCVYemen

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    Yeah, that why it seemed to me that the question about whether or not NavajoNPaleFace's post was true or not seems pretty important.

    I agree that's an issue - but I don't see how to solve it. If they bought 250 of each weapon and tested it, then we'd get better stats, but I couldn't afford to subscribe. :)

    That makes sense - I pay attention to that.

    But the problem here is most gun owners seem to me to be very committed to their purchases. Most of the brand v. brand threads on THR sound like adolescent boys - "My Vega will kick your Pinto's butt!"

    I suspect that such sentiments are caused by a combination of the price of a weapon and Freudian identification that we do not want to explore.

    At any rate, it seems like gun owners in general may be some of the least reliable sources for reviews. Check out the letters in the back of Gun Test when they mention a weapon malfunction! People get irate when Gun Tests dares to print something like "... pieces fell off of the Markarov , so we stopped testing ..." ! :)

    Mike
     
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    It's odd that Consumer Reports has a 100% success rate when these claims are actually subject to legal review. With actual facts and stuff like that ...

    Mike
     
  23. Duke Junior

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    CR has become somewhat PC over the years,(they use to test guns,for pete's sake!)but Mr. Yemen is completely correct.Since 1936 ,CR has never tested a single product that they bought with the sellers knowledge that it was to be subsequently tested.All blind purchases.I'll take that to the bank.
    That's why they've won every single court case,contesting this fact,TMK.
     
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    Well that's because in reality most guns ARE well made and fun to shoot. :neener:

    The GunBlast reviews tend to be overall positive which some people discount since all critics and reviewers are supposed to be uber negative and bag on everything.

    I still find I get the information I need from them.
     
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    Ah YEs Gun Test Sucks!

    When it first came out they sent me a "complimentry" copy and a letter saying here ya go read this in the fine print it said I had to call a 1800 number to cancell the subscription. Well 3 months later I see a note on my credit report stating I owe x amount for a magazine subscription. I reported them to the credit folks and then called the magazine. Long story short they removed the credit violation and I told them I would never try their rag again.
     
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