Non lethal rounds for deer

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Okay, somebody posted this earlier on THR and I just have to post it here...you need to get a bird to get rid of your deer problem...see video:

http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=12387

Seriously, paintball sounds like a great idea! Somebody posted it could get you in trouble. How??? Shooting/killing them as pests is legal where I'm from, but rather than kill them, some folks around here paint them...and it's quite fun. I think a video would be great, but only if your opening premiere is the "Broom Charge" through the garden...having a hard time imagining which would be funnier. You know, that could be worthy of sending in to America's Funniest Home Videos...think what you could buy with the unexpected cash.
 
I have found a BB gun to be totally ineffective. The deer just stand there dumbly, after 10 hits or so- they seem to have no association of the sting ,with the human. Apparently they think it is an insect bite or something . A tall fence is the best option.
 
Suggestion, have someone take a video camera and film this act. And for Gods sake, put it on YOUTUBE for us brighamr!
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LOL! Sorry, my first youtube video isn't going to be me running around screaming with a broom!

Paintball on the other hand, that might be an interesting video...

Sounds like that's what your dogs are for.
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Yes, we currently let the dogs chase them from the back yard, but the garden is off limits for the dogs. (ie, they would chase the deer out but destroy the garden in the process)

I'm going to try the hair option first. I have been saving my siberian husky's hair (sheddings), was going to make something but this sounds like a better use.

If that fails, I'm going to try a full automatic picasso.
 
Motion activated sprinkler. Also works great for rabbits. Probably not so good though if your garden is being overrun by ducks ;)
 
45acp with rubber bullets.

From MidwayUSA. Load them with primers only. Just like airgun.

If you do youtube, I wouldn't ID myself or give location.
 
Oh, I forgot to mention...if they become immune to the paintballs like they sometimes do to airsoft guns and BBs, put your paintballs in the freezer. Still not lethal, but greatly increases the pain factor. They don't have to be frozen, just cold and firm doubles the impact.
 
Paintball or airsoft would be cheap. Paintball would work better.
Don't shoot them with airguns, that creates a real wound. It could even kill them over time or damage an organ that causes them to get sick or have a slow death.

Better yet invite a few friends over with paintball guns, get all decked out in camo and go "hunt" the deer while someone video tapes it. Post the video on YouTube as a PETA hunting video...
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I would not film it or be noticed. While it should work, and might actualy cause them to fear people more, actualy making them safer from hunters in the future, the animal rights people could complain you are causing unnecessary pain to a poor innocent deer.
Since you were not legaly hunting it could stick in court.
In some states cruelty to animals is a felony.

I can see it now. You getting charged with some crime for cruelty to animals or something else because you shot them with a harmless paintball.

Do you know how hard it would be to hunt deer that were used to getting shot at with non lethal rounds? They would be the most skittish sneaky deer around. That would make them more challenging to hunt than almost any other deer.
The slightest scent, sound, or sight of a person would send them going in the opposite direction.

Another option would be a slingshot or wrist rocket using like legumes or seeds or stones. Don't use actual metal projectiles though as those could again cause a real wound or injury.
 
I believe you should check your local laws... Someone once told me it was legal here in AL to kill deer out of season if they are eating your crops.
 
National Park Rangers use paintball guns and clear, vegetable oil filled paintballs.
 
Wow... I vote for the Painball gun and video Camera. You can get a good one plus 1000 pb's for like $250. And you can nail them out to 50 yards easy. Plus it'll look hilarious with blue and pink deer running around everywhere.

And you must post it for us all to see.
 
Someone once told me it was legal here in AL to kill deer out of season if they are eating your crops.
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And how is a crop defined by law in AL assuming that was true? You have to be careful about those kinds of laws. A crop may be defined as some type of agriculture they make a living from or is a certain percentage of income, a certain zoning, a minimum number of acres etc, not just some private garden or trees.

For example some states allow you to kill an animal such as a loose dog that is attacking livestock.
However killing the dog for attacking one of your pets pet is not covered under that as your pet is viewed as personal property (meaning it is also not covered under self defense of self or others), and is not legal livestock under definition of law.
So if you did have to act, it would be wise to know under what circumstances it is and is not legal, even if only to know how to describe it in an official report after the fact.

So "crop" could have a specific meaning under the law, not just any personal plants being destroyed. Deer are herbivores, all they eat is plants. That law as you understand it would essentialy let anyone kill a deer that stops on thier property, because what else is a deer going to stop for on private property if not foraging for food?
 
Paintballs. Just don't use DayGlo Orange . . . Something like a hot pink maybe . . . and don't tell anyone around there what's going on.

Just wait a bit and you'll start hearing hunter's stories about all the pink deer in the woods.
 
I know a paintball gun works great on dogs but I doubt anything short of a fence will keep them from coming back. An electric fence is your best bet.
 
is a paintball gun going to be considered cruel to the animal in the court of law?
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It might take a lot of fees and court costs to figure that out.

While there is many animal rights activists, which work themselves into a frenzy calling for prosecution. While they are pressuring the locals to take action, and you are not legaly hunting deer. When there is deer running around with colored spots on them.

Pain is being inflicted on innocent animals while in no danger. Animals are being left with hemotomas (bruises), and swelling as explained by some expert witness (vet etc).
Another expert witness could be brought in to testify the spots COULD be causing them to have difficulties finding a mate, being rejected by the other deer, and maybe even running out in front of cars to end it all after the rejection. You name it.
In that case you would be responsible for people hitting deer with vehicles even placing them in danger, all because you wanted to shoot bambi without a legal hunting permit in a cruel unusual way.
Now that is an exageration, but you really never know what is going to be presented in court. A case funded by animal rights activists while doing an activity not sanctioned by law involving wild life is really nothing anyone knows the outcome of.

The arguments don't have to be true, they just have to use the facts to concoct some alternate reality where the deer is suffering due to your actions and then let a jury decide.

If you went out and hit the deer (good luck), that would be animal cruelty. If you went out and spray painted the deer (of course you couldn't get that close), that would be cruel and inhumane. What kind of case do you think could be created against you with a paintball essentialy doing both, especialy if you made prosecution easy by providing video footage of it all?
 
Might want to look into your local wildlife harassment laws. Could get you in some deep doo doo. I'd look into a depredation permit or whatever your state calls it then donate the meat to some hunters feed the hungry thing or a homeless shelter maybe.
 
I would be careful using a real gun, even with "less than lethal" ammo.

You could still be accused of hunting out of season etc.
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As others have said, I'd say that likely even goes for BB, pellet, or paintball guns too. I would suspect a game warden (or neighbor) who sees you cap a doe with a paintball, will still consider it animal cruelty, or illegal hunting or some such. Nonsense or not, right or not, I'd say it's pretty likely, and would probly stick in court too. Try calling whoever is in charge of game/hunting laws where you are and see what the can recommend. They may know of a trick most of us dont.

Bloodmeal or ammonia is the most effective from what I've heard from those who've tried them.
 
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