Norinco ban? Petition?

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I had a crazy idea to try and catch Obama in a lie which would likely never happen.

First the idea.
My idea was to create a petition at the we the people website to have Obama rescind the EO that bans the import of most of Norinco's guns (mainly the SKS) that fell into the non "assault weapon" category (like the SKS). If I could get the required number of sigs then it would do one of two things
a) prove that Obama doesn't support gun ownership in any way
b) if he did rescind the EO we would hopefully get an influx of cheap chines knock offs.

But I have no idea as to if the EO is even still in effect (I see that there are no more new norinco SKS's coming into the country) and what weapons are even on the ban list? Why they were banned in the first place? So basically I need a rundown of why no more norinco and what do you think of my idea?
 
Norinco products were banned in the 90s unrelated to the '94 AWB, at or about the same time that they also put the brakes on import of most Russian firearms, with the eventual sporting workarounds turning up like the Saigas.
 
Noriinco products are great value . I got two sks with their chromelined barrels. Really really great rifles .
 
while a fun exercise we'd get the (a) response spun to make it seem like they are protecting us from those dangerous bullet sprayers.
 
The Norinco ban had nothing to do with the guns being legally imported like the SKS. If I remember correclty, Norinco was caught selling full autos to criminals in the US.
 
If I remember correclty, Norinco was caught selling full autos to criminals in the US.
The freighter Empress Phoenix affair IIRC. Even though the "rogue" Chinese officials involved were allegedly disciplined in China by the Chinese gov't. Norinco imports are legal in Canada, including the semi-auto M14 copy last time I checked.
 
The ratchet only seem to go one way. My vague recollection is that China got MFN status in exchange for forgoing exports of small arms and ammunition to the US.

Norinco continuesto do a brisk trade of same into Canada for civilian purchase to date.
870 clones, 1911 clones, AR15 pattern clones, M14 pattern clones (semi), SKS, brass-cased rifle ammunition.

Because the firearm regs are slightly different in Canada versus the US, Norinco has an 870 clone with a 14" brl that is legal for Canadian civilian purchase same as a 28" barreled unit. Ironically, the shorter-barreled variant costs more than the long barreled version. Because the way the regs are written, only *factory* 14" barrels are legal.

For some examples of products, check out Marstar's web site.

http://www.marstar.ca/dynamic/category.jsp?catid=75212
 
Heh.

I remember back when the Chinese stuff was considered junk. Now they're banned and everyones is drolling over them.

Wasrs are crap, and now theyre selling for 700+.

Y'all are nuts.
 
The Norinco ban was a way to open the door for WalMart to begin their massive purchasing campaign from China. Bill got himself a feel good gun control measure through and we got cheaper prices on imported products. Part of the issues we are facing today are directly tied to the resulting change in their status to "most favoured nation" (MFN) and the massive debt we are accumulating resulting from it.
 
tyeo098 is right,

Heh.

I remember back when the Chinese stuff was considered junk. Now they're banned and everyones is drolling over them.

Wasrs are crap, and now theyre selling for 700+.

Y'all are nuts.

I remember the same thing. Chinese AK's are junk, I heard it all the time from the LGS. The Romanian, Bulgarian, and any other "ian" or "ish" was considered better by leaps and bounds. My Norinco would shoot about 6" at 100 yards on a good day, they were right it was junk. I got rid of that turd long ago. My Romanian prints 2" to 2.5" at 100. They were right again. I've been in other shops that say the Norinco is the greatest ever. I usually laugh and walk out. Funny how my local shop hasn't changed their stance. Chinese AK's are still junk, will always be junk, and the only people paying high prices for them are usually dumb kids (like I was once long ago) and these "panic newbies" (what the local shop owner calls these people).
 
Here's a pic of my Norinco CQ-A AR with its 14.5" chrome lined barrel.
It shoots great and at $695.00 a great bargain.
Yes there is more Magpul parts on it and a YHM handguard but it's still a Norinco at heart.
Most of those parts will be going on to a Noveske lower that is awaiting transfer.
There is also the 51 Simonov Tula arsenal SKS which are still available in Canada for $199.00
We can get Norinco M305's (M14) for $429.00
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How would that specifically prove that Obama doesn't support gun ownership in any way?

The SKS is on the exempt list of Fienstiens bill, it has a fixed ten round magazine and the bayo lug can be ground off by an importer. Obama says he is pro second amendment, but if he refuses to allow a gun that fill even Fienstiens bill he is showing his true colors.
 
ccsniper said:
...Obama says he is pro second amendment, but if he refuses to allow a gun that fill even Fienstiens bill he is showing his true colors.
It's not about the gun. It's about Norinco and some suspicions regarding questionable activities in the past. See here:
...In 1993, the import of most Norinco firearms and ammunition into the United States were blocked under new trade rules when China's Most Favored Nation status was renewed. The prohibition did not apply to sporting shotguns or shotgun ammunition however. The year subsequent to that, U.S. Customs agents conducted a sting against Atlanta based importers of Norinco firearms. According to an affidavit signed by two of the undercover agents involved in the investigation dubbed "Operation Dragon Fire", representatives from Norinco offered to sell urban gangs shoulder-held missile launchers capable of downing a large commercial airliner.[2]

In August 2003, the Bush Administration imposed sanctions on Norinco for allegedly selling missile-related goods to Iran.[2] These sanctions led to a prohibition on imports into the US of the remaining types of firearms and ammunition not covered by the 1993 ban...
 
That's okay if the AWB passes, the black market will be flooded with illegal guns from Canada. (Everyone must have forgotten were the majority of bootleg alcohol cam from during prohibition.) M-14 and M-4 rifles for under $700. Even at double the price people will be wanting to buy them all day long.

They banned liquor in the 1920s and people drank more than ever.

They ban firearms and people will buy them more than ever.
 
That's okay if the AWB passes, the black market will be flooded with illegal guns from Canada. (Everyone must have forgotten were the majority of bootleg alcohol cam from during prohibition.) M-14 and M-4 rifles for under $700. Even at double the price people will be wanting to buy them all day long.

They banned liquor in the 1920s and people drank more than ever.

They ban firearms and people will buy them more than ever.
Not going to happen with M4's.
They are restricted firearms in Canada.
All are registered and permits to transport are required etc.
They know where every single one of them are.
M14's are non restricted (min 18.5" barrel) so unregistered in most parts of the country but who will risk getting caught breaking ITAR regulations for a few hundred to a few thousand dollars.
 
Its important to note the bold part below when it comes to the Norinco import ban...

http://www.conservapedia.com/Norinco said:
In 1994, some employees of Norinco came under American investigation from both the FBI as well as the BATF after a successful sting dubbed “Operation Dragon Fire.” In May of 1996, in what was called "the largest seizure of fully operational automatic weapons in U.S. history,"[4] 14 individuals and an Atlanta, Georgia company were indicted for the unlicensed importation and sale of 2000 AK-47's into the United States. U.S. Customs agents posing as arms traffickers convinced a group of Chinese arms dealers, including three Norinco representatives, that they were in the market to buy guns for drug rings and street gangs.[5]

http://www.conservapedia.com/Norinco

Unsure if the which dates (wikipedia or convervapedia) are more correct, but the fact that Norinco was involved in "the largest seizure of fully operational automatic weapons in U.S. history" will be a huge issue to overcome, if Norinco is ever able to be considered to re-enter the U.S. market
 
While I would like an influx of cheap, decent to well made firearms. Honestly though, the Chinese do not support RKBA and are one of the more oppressive regimes. Frankly, I do not want to support that, I would rather buy a Ruger or other gun that helps the US economy and promotes and celebrates our freedoms.
 
They banned liquor in the 1920s and people drank more than ever.

That's actually completely untrue. Overall alcohol consumption actually went down during prohibition. I'm not defending prohibition but it did actually lower alcohol consumption.
 
That's actually completely untrue. Overall alcohol consumption actually went down during prohibition. I'm not defending prohibition but it did actually lower alcohol consumption.

Government stats? Well I would be careful about people gathering data to prove their pet project works. That being said, it certainly made a criminals out of grandma's that made mince pies and fruitcakes.
 
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