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North Carolina: "Gun surrender could accompany domestic violence orders"

Discussion in 'Legal' started by cuchulainn, May 28, 2003.

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  1. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Member

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    http://www.charlotte.com/mld/observer/news/local/5953805.htm
     
  2. Delmar

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    ....so comforting to know that all I have to do is file a restraining order against someone and have their guns taken from them without due process. I have a great idea-lets file restraining orders against every mammy-jackin one of those fools who votes or is in on the introduction of the bill and all of their family and extended family members:neener:
     
  3. Bruce in West Oz

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    It's an automatic procedure here. Violence order granted, police seize firearms. No ifs, buts or maybes.

    Even the order is lifted, the person accused has to go to court to prove that he should have his firearms returned and licence. Otherwise, the loss of firearms and licence is permanent.

    Yes, women (sorry, no prejudice, just fact) have been using it as a revenge weapon against former boyfriends, husbands etc.:barf:

    Bruce
     
  4. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

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    We don't need no stinkin' due process!
     
  5. Delmar

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    Me thinks if they come after mine with without due process, they better be up on "duck process"
     
  6. Sir Galahad

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    I argued just this point a while back on this board over the Lautenberg bill. ANYONE who's ived in L.A. knows the courts hand out restraining orders like candy. Point is, a lot of wacky estranged types actually prefer knives. This is another "feel-good" BS law to get away from what really needs to be done. You kill your wife, you swing. Dancing on air. One short drop into eternity. But capital punishment is cruel. It's much less cruel and unusual to punish the entire populace.
     
  7. geekWithA.45

    geekWithA.45 Moderator Emeritus

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    If the critter in question...

    has behaved so heinously that another human must be protected from him or her, has performed such an outrageous act that his unalienable rights must be abridged, a question:

    What is he doing running around loose?


    This whole concept cheapens individual rights. The equation used to be :

    If (criminalAct = 0)
    leaveAlone();
    else If (criminalAct < someBaseLineThreshold)
    slapWrist();
    else If (criminalAct > someBaseLineThreshold)
    punish();

    now its:

    if (criminalAct = 0)
    leaveAlone();
    else if (criminalAct = 0) and (behaviourIsSuspicious)
    abridgeRightsWithoutMuchProcess();
    else if(criminalAct < someLowerThreshold)
    slapWrist();
    else if (criminalAct > someLowerThreshold) and (criminalAct < someBiggerThreshold)
    abridgeRightsWithProcess();
    else if(criminalAct > someBiggerThreshold)
    punish();



    The total effect of the thing is that the region of liberty is contracted, and the region of governmental intervention is expanded.
     
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