Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Not again.......! Feral Hog Control in East Texas

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by Flintknapper, May 13, 2009.

  1. Flintknapper

    Flintknapper Member

    Joined:
    May 11, 2006
    Messages:
    2,015
    Location:
    Deep East Texas
    Readyrod wrote:

    No, in fact...where I have it now is a semi-permanent spot because of the amount of hog traffic there. Terrain features, wooded areas and water combine to "funnel" them through this area.

    To some degree. It is possible to move (encourage) hogs to change their route over small distances. Generally, I am comfortable feeding hogs to another location...as far as 200-300 yds. but it can take time. As long as hogs are coming to one area there is no requirement to change it, if that is your question.

    I will use snares on occassion...but only if I can not shoot or trap a particular animal. Obviously...snares are "non-selective" and you really need to know what you are doing to avoid catching animals other than the target.

    "Techniques": Basically means Trapping, Shooting, Snaring and Hunting with dogs. (Well....there is the helicopter approach also, but since I do not own a helicopter we will not be discussing that technique).;)

    "Tricks": Are numerous and varied. Some are area specific... some can be broadly applied. If you have specific questions I will try my best to answer them.

    That is correct. Anywhere there is good habitat and hogs are firmly established....you will never be rid of them.

    The words "hogs" and "eradication" should not be used in the same sentence IMO. It is wishful thinking...at best.

    Flint.
     
  2. P90Puma

    P90Puma Member

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2009
    Messages:
    27
    Location:
    Kanuckistan
    Great thread.
     
  3. ChCx2744

    ChCx2744 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    1,225
    Flintknapper you must have one heck of a work load on your hands now a days! Man, I can't even imagine the trouble these knuckle heads are causing for you...Good luck with the pest control, and always remember: Even if you can't rid the problem, you can always at least alleviate the losses they are causing. If you weren't doing everything that you are, who knows what kind of damage could have been done up to this point? Keep us updated! Nice pictures too, BTW!
     
  4. THEmandrew04

    THEmandrew04 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2009
    Messages:
    6
    Location:
    Clearwater, Florida
    My Dad grew up in Dayton. We both get a big kick outta this thread. Thanks and good luck.
     
  5. Readyrod

    Readyrod Member

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2009
    Messages:
    679
    Location:
    Japan planning the move back to Canada
    Thanks for the replies, I mucho appreciate it. It's nice that you don't have to move the trap. It's gotta save a lot of work. And I didn't think about the non selective thing with snares. You wouldn't want to hurt your dogs or the neighbors dogs.
    If you don't mind the questions can I ask you what your baiting strategy is. Do you bait only in the trap or do you try to attract them by baiting outside as well? What are you using for bait? ( that arrow with the corn is hilarious btw ) Are you trying to channel them, say with strategically placed logs, or fencing?
    I got more questions but I'll save them for later. Again, great thread.
     
  6. kanook

    kanook Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2009
    Messages:
    1,974
    since the hawgs are on your land, have you considered a supressor? we got three off a friends property the other day and I forgot my hearing protection. I am going the supressor route because of it. the neighbors can't complain about noise and I will not have the phone in my head ringing as loud.
     
  7. federalfarmer

    federalfarmer Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2008
    Messages:
    312
    Corn arrow! :D Good luck, how about shooting them with something less lethal? and see if they leave? So we can stand on the next property and shoot them!
     
  8. Flintknapper

    Flintknapper Member

    Joined:
    May 11, 2006
    Messages:
    2,015
    Location:
    Deep East Texas
    Yes, the "corn arrow" is just for fun....but it is hard to argue it's effectiveness when I consistently get results like this:

    Trail_cam_6_12_09001.jpg

    Trail_cam_6_12_09003.jpg

    Yeah, I know......I could make "werewolves" with the corn and they would still eat it. :D
     
  9. Flintknapper

    Flintknapper Member

    Joined:
    May 11, 2006
    Messages:
    2,015
    Location:
    Deep East Texas
    kanook wrote:

    It is something I have considered. To date, I have never shot (or been around) a suppressed firearm, but from what I have read....a suppressor can be used to significantly reduce muzzle blast (especially with subsonic loads).

    I am still waiting on a custom .458 SOCOM upper from Mary ter Weeme that will be used as a dedicated hog gun. I did order it with a threaded barrel to accommodate a suppressor if I choose to go that route in the future.
     
  10. Flintknapper

    Flintknapper Member

    Joined:
    May 11, 2006
    Messages:
    2,015
    Location:
    Deep East Texas
    Readyrod wrote:

    Hi RR,

    I will start by baiting any area that shows good hog sign. This can be a trail, an area they are rooting in, a water source, a wallow, etc. Basically any area that shows evidence of repeated visitation.

    Any number of baits could be used but...shelled corn is probably the easiest . Most folks will set up an automatic feeder to dispense the corn....but it can be hand broadcast (assuming you can visit the property daily).

    No. At least not for the purpose of luring them to the trap area. Generally, the bait alone is all you need.

    Hogs will come to the sound of an automatic feeder if that is being used, but I prefer to hand-broadcast the corn because I don't have to move feeders around and I can dribble out corn down trails to manipulate their direction of travel (to some extent).

    A typical scenario will go something like this:

    1. I will discover hog sign at some location on the ranch, or I will have pics on the game cam at a bait site I keep going year round.

    2. I will bait the area with corn. I put it out over an area approximately 50' in diameter so that the hogs will have to hunt it.

    3. If the hogs return to the bait site a second day/night then I will install a game-camera (indispensable tool) to determine how many there are, what size, make up of the group, and at what time they are visiting.

    4. If there is a mature boar present...I will immediately set up a stand nearby and attempt to shoot him out.

    Mature boars are solitary animals....difficult to find and difficult to pattern. They do not stay around long.

    Their sole purpose for being around a sounder is to breed the sows. Once the sow(s) have been covered the boar is gone, so you want to move on a boar right away.

    5. If no mature boars are present but the sounder is comprised of mostly mature sows...I will continue to bait them at the site for about a week to see if a boar will show up. If not...then the decision to trap the group or shoot the group is made.

    6. If the decision is to trap, then depending upon location...I might be able to slowly "move" the group to where I already have the trap set up, or I will have to move the trap.

    I can usually entice hogs to move 200-300 yds. from a bait site, but I can't get them to go from one side of the ranch (400 acres) to the other.

    7. Sometimes a group is fairly small and made up of mostly mature animals. When this occurs...I will just shoot them out. It takes time (a few weeks) because you are not going to shoot them everyday without first running them off.

    Usually, we will shoot the Alpha sow (lead sow) first, wait a few days until things settle down. Then take the next sow that displays leadership, and so on. The result is a constant "dumbing down" of the herd...and eventually a "broken sounder" that will split up and normally move off.

    But, things don't always go as planned...and you must be willing to adapt to their movement and feeding habits.

    Hogs with little pressure are creatures of habit..and can be patterned pretty well. However, once they recognize they are being pursued, they go into "stealth mode" and can be nearly impossible to take.

    An old "Alpha Sow" that has led a sounder for several years is probably:

    Trap shy.
    Camera shy (yes they can recognize them).
    Dog savvy.
    Will spot a stand.
    Will circle an area before coming in.
    Will lead the group to an area, but let them go in first.
    And the list goes on.

    So, always take the "brains" out the group where possible.


    Flint.
     
  11. TehK1w1

    TehK1w1 Member

    Joined:
    May 21, 2007
    Messages:
    869
    Location:
    Where the Wild Things Are
    I've found also that with little or no hunting pressure they are dawn/dusk feeders, but start hunting them regularly and they will go completely nocturnal in a hurry.
     
  12. Gryffydd

    Gryffydd Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2009
    Messages:
    1,781
    Location:
    W. Washington
    Wow. I knew they were supposed to be smart, but that's pretty amazing.
     
  13. Leaky Waders

    Leaky Waders Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2003
    Messages:
    828
    Location:
    Content listed as posted by me may have been edite
    Wow!

    I'm presently forward deployed and I read this thread before e-mails from home. It's awesome!

    Thank you very much for your efforts.

    v/r,

    LW
     
  14. psyopspec

    psyopspec Member

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2004
    Messages:
    4,207
    Location:
    Cape Cod
    Flint, your thread continues to impress. Sorry about your hog problems, but thanks for the education you're giving a lot of us.
     
  15. Readyrod

    Readyrod Member

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2009
    Messages:
    679
    Location:
    Japan planning the move back to Canada
    Hey Flintknapper
    Thanks again for the answers.
    I've worked a little with hogs but only on farms and I have no idea how they act in the wilds. Are they territorial or do they just move around? If territorial do you know their range? What's a sounder? It seems that the boars are solitary opportunistic breeders, do they ever join the groups of sows? Do the boars fight? You said that the young boars hang together, is that for protection from the older boars?
    Sorry if it's too many questions but just let me squeeze in a few more.
    What's a good hog caliber? Hog gun?
    I was wondering why you wanted to get the boars so bad as they can be easily replaced by younger ones. Then you mentioned about getting the experienced ones first, which makes a lot of sense. I guess that at the same time you are getting the biggest/strongest/smartest ones also, kind of reverse genetic selection, let the weak/small/stupid ones breed.
    Happy hunting/trapping.
     
  16. Flintknapper

    Flintknapper Member

    Joined:
    May 11, 2006
    Messages:
    2,015
    Location:
    Deep East Texas
  17. schlockinz

    schlockinz Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2009
    Messages:
    416
    Location:
    Arkansas River or Green River
    For hog, I'd go .25 on up.

    I've got a 45-70 that I will test on them this year to see how it works, but my 30.06 put a wallop on them in the past.

    If your going to be hunting in the brush, a shotgun with slugs would be another good alternative.
     
  18. DammitBoy

    DammitBoy Member

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2009
    Messages:
    2,282
    Location:
    Atlanta, GA
    How confined is it? Why can't you shoot them with a shotgun? How much acreage are we talking?

    Bow hunting? Hell, we hunt them with spears and knives around these parts...

    edit: Just read the rest of the thread instead of just the first page.

    What do you do with them once you trap them?
     
    Last edited: Jun 16, 2009
  19. TAB

    TAB Member

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2007
    Messages:
    2,475
    Glad to see your getting some of them. I wish you luck getting the rest.
     
  20. MCgunner

    MCgunner Member

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2005
    Messages:
    25,318
    Location:
    The end of the road between Sodom and Gomorrah Tex
    Checked my feeder today. Hogs had dumped it and kicked the crap out of the timer to get the corn out. It still works, but no corn. I'll have to go back Friday and put corn in it I guess. I only put it out there a couple of weeks ago. It's really dry down here, guess they're desperate for food.
     
  21. RyanM

    RyanM Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2005
    Messages:
    4,412
    Location:
    PA
    I have a really dumb question. Feral pigs and domestic pigs are obviously the exact same species. So why are feral ones hairy, while farm pigs are nearly bald?
     
  22. Flintknapper

    Flintknapper Member

    Joined:
    May 11, 2006
    Messages:
    2,015
    Location:
    Deep East Texas
    Tres Mas.....

    Well…..got three of the five, not too bad….as I was not expecting to catch the entire Bachelor group the first “go round”.

    trapped_5.jpg

    Hogs taking a dirt nap:

    3_little_pigs.jpg

    Father-in-Law hauling them off to be “recycled”:

    Feris_Hogs.jpg

    The reddish/brown hog nearly cleared the 5’ panels on a couple of attempts. He was a very athletic boar.

    Don’t ever let anyone tell you hogs can’t jump. Its “white men” who can’t jump, not hogs.
     
  23. ~z

    ~z Member

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2005
    Messages:
    813
    Location:
    High plains of Texas
    Another nice catch, did you "hand activate" the trap again or let them do it themself?
    ~z
     
  24. LWYM425

    LWYM425 Member

    Joined:
    May 15, 2009
    Messages:
    128
    Location:
    Pacific Northwest
    pork problem?

    Flintknapper,
    I'm sure after the Xth time you're tired of cleaning, butchering, and even eating pork... But are there any creative ways you've found of getting rid of these pigs? Do you sell them to a local butcher? Donate the meat? Food is food...

    I'd hate to think that they just end up being waste, but at the same time after seeing how many you're dealing with I wouldn't drop any blame on you for not being frugal, per se. Also, like mentioned above by you and many others- this isn't exactly an endangered species :)

    Thanks for maintaining this post!!!
     
  25. Flintknapper

    Flintknapper Member

    Joined:
    May 11, 2006
    Messages:
    2,015
    Location:
    Deep East Texas
    ~z wrote:

    I just let these catch themselves. The game-cam pics that last few nights showed them coming in anywhere from 2-4 a.m.

    However, last night...these came in and trapped themselves by 9:30 p.m., you just never know. :confused:
     

Share This Page