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Not just another crime shooting story

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by hso, Jul 2, 2015.

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  1. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

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    While crime stories involving shootings don't have much of a place on THR this one has an interesting twist. It involves a former CNN anchor (we're all familiar with CNN's Anti 2A policy) and her husband using his carry gun to defend themselves when they were attacked at a hotel they'd checked into while traveling. The fact that they both have carry permits and both had carry guns is not lost on us, but is a bit surprising when associated with any CNN employee. Note the closing sentence.

     
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  2. Spats McGee

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    Perhaps even more interesting is the spin that CNN puts on this one. Here's the link: http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/01/us/new-mexico-motel-shooting/index.html

    I would have edited for brevity, but I think it's instructive to compare the AP version that hso posted with CNN's.
    I'm struck by several things:
    1. The implication that the guns might be illegal.
    2. The lack of any mention of de Caro's military background.
    3. The omission of any mention of the couple's CC licenses.
     
  3. Reloadron

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    I caught the story on some TV news. Really, really slick how they set up the bad guy. Visiting my sister so no clue what news network. However, the news story I saw and the accounts of Chuck de Caro and his wife, former Headline News anchor and CNN correspondent Lynne Russell, differ slightly from the text above. I guess we wait and see how it all plays out.

    Ron
     
  4. MedWheeler

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    It appears the couple was headed for California. Depending on exactly to where in California, their right to such an option for self defense may end upon arrival.
     
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  5. jamesjames

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    I am reminded of my favorite gun story: a friend was driving a car load of his friends through a rough part of town. They were going to a club or a show or something... any way. they can't park close and have to find a parking place blocks away.

    The friends were liberals who are anti-gun. They always gave him a bunch of lip about "why do you need that?" and its just dangerous and wrong, blah, blah, blah.

    Of course, when they get out of the car and started walking, they all get scared. They asked my friend, "so, are you carrying?... Do you have it?" When he answered in the affirmative, they were all quite relieved.

    Let's see if the MSM can show the same courtesy (or at least benevolent hypocrisy) for this story and these fine folks with ties to the MSM.
     
  6. old lady new shooter

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    I read the story on a few different websites and there were several subtle differences. But anyway, one of them reported that Russell herself was formerly I think a sheriff somewhere.
     
  7. Plan2Live

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    The parts of the story that stuck out to me were;

    1. Stay calm
    2. Get to your weapon
    3. Keep fighting
    Even though de Caro was hit three times he kept fighting. That was probably the single most important thing he did to win this fight.
     
  8. RustyShackelford

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    media reports ...

    The syndicated media series Inside Edition says neither Russell or her US military veteran husband will face any criminal charges.
    The felon was dead on scene(DOS).

    It seems like a common tactic for a thug to target a couple or tourist family then try a push in robbery or like this crime, a armed robbery.

    Doing hotel security work, I've seen many tourists or travelers who were stressed out, tired, careless, or too cheap to care about the hotel security.
    I'd suggest anyone who travels, spend a extra $10/20.00 per night & get a better brand or room. :uhoh:
    Check the lot for any strange people or occupied vehicles.
    Avoid rooms by common areas if you can; ice machines, pools, vending machines, stairs, etc. Loud fights, drunks, broken glass, etc are often around these places.
    Don't leave high value items in your vehicle(s) overnight & don't get intoxicated or careless. Some clever crooks roam thru halls or watch for drunks to rob then dash off, :mad: .
     
  9. FAS1

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    I couldn't help but think about the bathroom/shower gun discussions.:D

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  10. V-fib

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    Saw this story tonight on of all places: ABC World news tonight! my wife made a comment on the teaser before the show went to commercial something like "do you think it will be about them defending themselves with a gun?" I said no, never on a left wing network like ABC. then lo and behold when the story ran we find out the former CNN anchor and her reporter husband both had concealed carry permits and one of them killed the cretin criminal that was bent on doing them harm. Can't believe ABC world news tonight would ever run a positive story like this.

    v-fib
     
  11. gun_with_a_view

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    Most newer motels seem to limit access to one central room where the desk staff sees everybody who enters and exits. That type of accommodation may cost a little more, but seeminigly cuts the risk factor of unwanted encounters. Myself, I won't stay anywhere else. Fact of the matter is, I just can't ninja like I used to.
     
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    I remember Lynne Russel when she was on CNN and she never came across like a liberal, she always was one of the sane reporters on that network.
     
  13. General Geoff

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    From the article:
    So much for no law abiding citizen needing high capacity magazines, right?
     
  14. old lady new shooter

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    That's the same lesson I took away from the Detroit grandmother story, reinforced now by reading this one.
     
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    How much do you want to bet that the anchor wasn't carrying Federal 9BPLE in his gun? Jeez. Shot the guy with all the rounds in his gun then picked up the bad guys gun and shot him with it, too. Bad guy just wouldn't drop. Sounds like 380ACP at work here.
     
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    Besides the fact that a CNN employee with a CCW permit and a gun was involved, what really caught my attention when I first read this story yesterday was where this cross country trip started. Don't know if stories have been edited since yesterday because now I can't seem to find it anywhere, but I'm sure I read they were travelling from Washington DC to somewhere out west. I was wondering how exactly they were legally carrying if they started out in DC?
     
  17. Ed Ames

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    I have probably stayed at that motel. I drive through Albuquerque a few times a year and while I prefer not to overnight in/near the city, it sometimes happens.

    The last time I made that trip, I was with two seniors, one of whom is wheelchair bound. The other didn't understand why I had a pistol on my hip and a sub2k in my bag. Fortunately I have never had problems through there but there are definitely people who watch for tired and distracted travelers with no good intent.

    And yes, when the destination is California, non-residents have no legal choice but to unload and pack up the handgun(s) on the Arizona side of the state line. It also limits firearm choices (no sub2k, no normal capacity magazines, etc.). I don't know if these ex reporters are California residents but I'm not, so I know the ritual well.
     
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    General Geoff writes, in reference to de Caro using two weapons:

    Definitely a valid point but, for all we know, both guns could have been .38 Special, five-shooting, J-frames..

    I'm embarking on a road trip tomorrow. I'll have at least four with me, a EDC, a DCC (deep-conceal), a .22LR pistol (in case some plinking opportunity pops up), and I haven't decided on the fourth. I'm tempted to grab a long gun as well. I'm only covering parts of three states, including my own, and all are 2A-friendly to a pretty good degree.
     
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  19. RustyShackelford

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    Details...

    Lynne Russell was one of the original news anchors on CNN Headline News. She was also a former sworn LE deputy in the metro Atlanta GA area, a licensed PI & "black-belt" in martial arts. Not the victim I'd choose, :uhoh: .
    Her husband was at a disadvantage in the melee. He was hit 3 times(leg, lower torso). The media says he should make a full recovery.

    It's unknown what type handgun the husband/SF veteran used. Or how many times he shot the felon.

    Rusty
     
  20. Trent

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    Sounds like that former CNN anchor knew his business and handled himself very well, in that fight.

    It's sad he was pushed in to a position where he was forced to use lethal force.

    I hope that his wounds heal rapidly and that there's no significant emotional distress on the part of him, or his wife. Being in a violent conflict is a very traumatic experience and some scars aren't visible. Might be tough to feel 'normal' again in daily activities after a sudden, violent, and ultimately lethal intrusion like that; for both him and his lady.
     
  21. hso

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    SHE was the CNN anchor, he was the former Special Forces.
     
  22. rcmodel

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    How did you arrive at that conclusion??

    Could have been two .40 S&Ws, or two .38 Specials, or two .45's for all we know.

    People don't always fall down and stop fighting when shot with any caliber handgun.

    (Witness the escaped murder shot twice with a NY Trooper the other day.)

    He stopped, but he didn't fall over dead as if struck by Thor's hammer.

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  23. RustyShackelford

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    He & She ...

    The husband was also a CNN reporter & consultant on military affairs.
    He's being reported as working for a defense contractor/DoD support firm in NOVA.

    As posted, both husband & wife were well trained with the proper mindset.
     
  24. gamestalker

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    I was only a couple weeks or so ago that an elderly woman was kidnapped while going to her car at a hotel here in Tucson. Almost identical circumstances, except there were two assailants ,and they abducted her. My Son and I were on our way back from bowling and saw all the cops at the hotel 20-30 minutes after she had been nabbed according to reports.

    Let me tell ya from experience, It's a dangerous world out there. Liberal or other wise, I'm just glad these folks were prepared to fight for their lives.

    GS
     
  25. FAS1

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    I saw this story with a reenactment on the Today Show. Both handguns were apparently laying on the nightstand when he went in the shower and she went outside.

    They were at their hotel and relaxed and let their guard down. Should be a wake up call for those of us that try to stay armed most of the day. She should not have gone to the car at midnight without her gun. I think they were both very lucky that the BG didn't spot their guns before they were able to get to them. I do ALWAYS pocket carry at home and this reinforces that decision for me.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/gunman-killed-trying-rob-ex-reporters-lynne-russell-chuck-de-n385416
     
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