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  1. Samgotit

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    He said he saw the holster, which could be mistaken, not the actual barrel. Of course, it certainly could have been a CCW, too.
     
  2. thesolidus

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    hahahaha

    "Hey, is that your 357 printing in your jeans or you just happy to see me?"

    Sorry dude, had to do it!

    One thing i've noticed is that states with OC laws people are more relaxed about guns in general. Even non-carrying people just get used to seeing them. Did that here it'd be the Nat'l Guard and Arnold himself...

    On a side note, had a bicyclist friend that would stuff a moulded holster in the left stretchy pocket of his stretchy cyclist shirt. You could see the outline of "gun" from like 20 yards away which was exactly his point. He kept his keys, ID and credit cards or something in it! Maybe that should be the new, trendy wallet for guys!
     
  3. RobNDenver

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    He may have been an off duty cop, or may have just not cared if his "Concealed Weapon" was visible. If he is carrying a gun, it's his burden to either conceal it or not. I would not have said anything to him, its none of my business.
     
  4. M60

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    This.


    -Mark.
     
  5. g2contender

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    Here in Virginia, we have OC and CC. If you are carrying concealed and it shows, then that is brandishing. If you are carrying concealed, it had better be concealed. If you are Openly carrying, then it had better not be covered at all by anything.
     
  6. Clipper

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    The courts here have decided (surprisingly) that you pretty much have to have a gun in your hand to be 'brandishing' it... We're also an OC state. I wear a tucked-in T-shirt and jeans with a OWB holster, so if it's warm enough to need no other cover, I'm OCing. If it's chilly, and I'm putting on an overshirt or jacket, I'm CCing. If it's breezy and the overshirt isn't buttoned, I'm both...
     
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    I dont like a carry law where you could more penilty for "printing" than for not having the CCW.I think it should be a permit to carry period.would you believe Mass has that.Like this state.why bother with a CCW when you can carry in glove compartment.:rolleyes::uhoh:
     
  8. SCKimberFan

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    I could even see his holster!


    OMG!!!!!! :neener::neener::neener:
     
  9. Scooter_MI

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    "Printing..."

    I am from Michigan which is an "Open Carry" state. (most people in the state do not realize this.):confused:
    I spoke about this very subject,"printing", with 4 officers who own the local gun-range/shop and they also do CCW courses. I was concerned about the size of gun I should carry as I didn't want to "tip-toe" around worried about "printing". They were all a little "upset" that I would worry about it. I said I was worried that someone would see the "bulge or shape" and I would be in trouble. " So what?!" one of them said, " If it is "covered" it is concealed." If it IS slightly visible then it is NOT concealed which makes it Open Carried and that is perfectly legal in Michigan. No joke, it is legal. If you can see SOME of the gun (barrel, butt,etc,..) then it is not concealed.It is NOT brandishing, brandishing is if the firearm is out of the holster, waved around and otherwise used in a menacing manner. If you can see the SHAPE of the gun, but it IS covered then, it IS concealed.
    What was amazing to me (I didn't know the laws before either) is ANYONE who can legally own a pistol CAN open carry. Period. No license. No permit. As a Michigander you have the right to carry a sidearm in plain view. Pretty cool. The funny thing is, if you get into a car with that gun you have to put the gun in the trunk because that would be concealed, unless you have a Concealed Carry License, then you are ok!

    Hope that clears things up for folks a little?

    (Remember, this is Michigan, check your state gun laws)
     
  10. BhmBill

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    Thats how it is here, Scooter. Pretty amazing, huh? Except, you can have the gun pretty much anywhere in the vehicle, loaded or unloaded, unless its concealed on you or in a bag or something, then you need a CCW. Its actually only become safe very recently to open carry because Metro PD has had ALOT of fatal shootings of innocent and unarmed people. Many years back, they shot a kid who was bouncing a basketball. A few years before that, they shot a kid who was walkin down the street holding a foil wrapped candy bar. They thought it was a gun. They replaced the shootings with alot of 4th amendment rights violations though due to ignorant police who DO NOT know the law.
     
  11. Scooter_MI

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    "due to ignorant police who DO NOT know the law"

    That is one of the biggest issues here too.
     
  12. SquirrelNuts

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    I would want to know if I was trying to keep it concealed. Otherwise, who cares?
     
  13. starkadder

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    How abuot a friendly "whacha packin there buddy?" :D

    This is this! It's not something else, it's this!

    Don't pull it if you don't plan to use it, and don't use it if you don't plan to kill!

    Always remember our men and women over there.
     
  14. Wesson Smith

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    Here in Ohio, I do my best to conceal "properly", mainly because I really prefer to keep the fact that I'm armed to myself, for a variety of reasons. Also, I'm not going to do anything that might jeopardize my permit, as it means a lot to me. Having said that, I'm not going to go out of my way to buy shirts that are three times too big for me, either. As is the case with many things, good ol' common sense usually rules the day.
     
  15. D94R

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    OMG, people carry guns?


    Put me in the who cares column as well. Utah happily is one of the states where lega OC, CC, or semi-covered doesn't matter.


    Had you NOT noticed him printing, would it have even mattered?
     
  16. flrfh213

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    funny to read this.... i stopped in a gas station today to get a drink and there were 2 deputies chatting there so i told them i have my ccw but currently unarmed but had a question. i asked them if there was a bulge of the handle of my 357 in my lower back would that be printing or is that still legal. they stated if the shirt was over the gun it would still be concealed and legal, i then asked about my wife driving my truck and a pistol in her reach (i usually clear my truck if she needs to use it) with me having a ccw and her not but in my truck. both said she would go to jail MOST LiKLY so they did seem like strict leo also. just wanted to add my chat in for the record...
     
  17. Double Naught Spy

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    True story. My regular shooting buddy has a place in OK. He was at his range shooting and broken something on one of the targets and headed into town to get a part at the hardware store.

    So he is going along and looking at the hardware when a guy from the store walks up to him like he is going to offer to help. The guy says, "So you like guns?"

    My buddy was a little surprised by the comment and then the realization clicked. He was open carrying. He didn't mean to be open carrying but never even put on his vest when his left his problem. He just had a brain lock over the issue, being pre-occupied with his thoughts of the broken part. So, he untucked his shirt to cover his gun and holster and the guy from the store helped him find what he needed.

    Since that time, he and the guy from the store have shot together and even swapped guns some.

    It can be a positive experience, at least sometimes.
     
  18. neverjeg

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    The OP is mine and for the record, I don't care, but as stated this was too obvious and the intent was to save the guy some grief.

    Here's the law in OK.

    Concealed handgun means a loaded or unloaded pistol carried hidden
    from the detection and view of another person either upon or about the
    person, in a purse or other container belonging to the person, or in a
    vehicle which is operated by the person or in which the person is riding
    as a passenger; and
     
  19. Duke of Doubt

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    g2contender: "If you are Openly carrying, then it had better not be covered at all by anything."

    Including a holster?

    A full-flap holster?
     
  20. lucky_fool

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    Um, no.

    The Code of Virginia only makes a crime of carrying a concealed weapon (with exceptions, including a concealed handgun permit) -
    CoV § 18.2-308
    . Open carry is legal.

    If the gun is visible and identifiable then it is open carry and legal. If it is "hidden from common observation" and you have a CHP then it is legal. There is no statutory grey area where it is illegal.

    Brandishing is covered under § 18.2-282. Please explain to me how a half-concealed handgun could "reasonably induce fear in the mind of another of being shot or injured".
     
  21. TSales

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    Greetings

    I usually just lurk and learn but thought I'd add this to clarify the Virginia law:

    From the Virginia Statute:... A weapon shall be deemed to be hidden from common observation when it is observable but is of such deceptive appearance as to disguise the weapon's true nature.

    Based on the statute and decisions rendered by the Supreme Court, a weapon is considered to be concealed at any time it is placed in a location as to be within reach of the person, without the person being required to make an overt act to retrieve such weapon, when such weapon is hidden from common observation.

    I'm not familiar with the prohibition on "brandishing" as described in an earlier post and since OC is not prohibited here I don't put any special effort into concealment. I've definitely been made by the police on a couple of occasions and they didn't make a peep. I suppose I could be harrassed if I were in one of the less gun friendly (read: more urban) localities but I get around the tidewater area more than most and I've yet to have a problem.
     
  22. jackdanson

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    I wouldn't say anything.. I don't really give a (hoot) if someone else is printing. Good for them, maybe they should pay attention more, or maybe they don't care... either way it's none of my business.
     
  23. TSales

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    You may not ask someone to lend you money or return to the scene of an argument while OC. I think it is case law in both situations but I could be wrong. I got it from an NRA instructor buddy of mine.
     
  24. ArmedBear

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    Didn't anyone ever learn to mind their own business?

    If it's a really nice firearm, I might compliment the guy on it, but otherwise, ****. If the guy doesn't care whether he's OC or CCing (both legal here), it's none of my business. If he doesn't want to advertise that he's carrying, then the last thing he needs is some jerk-off talking about it loudly in the store.

    I was at an April 15th Tea Party on the Capitol lawn here. I saw a couple of clean-cut guys (probably OpenCarry.org but I'm guessing) standing nearby with Glocks on their hips and magazines around the other side. Nobody said "boo", not the cops, not the rest of us. That's how it should be. (If they'd been carrying engraved pre-model Smith "barbecue guns" or something, I'd have said, "Nice revolvers!" but otherwise, as I said, ****.)

    In Idaho, there are specific prohibitions against exhibition of firearms in a quarrel, and possession of a firearm with the intent to assault. I believe these add up to number 2. Don't know about number 1.
     
  25. Southern Rebel

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    In my area, the general legal consensus is (unsurprisingly) that brandishing relates to deliberately demonstrating gun possession with intent to intimidate, but the interpretation largely depends on the exact circumstances surrounding the "brandishing". (Note: oc and cc, both requiring a permit, are legal.)
     
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