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Now that AWB is gone, will there be any reluctance by manufacturers....

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Redlg155, Sep 14, 2004.

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  1. Redlg155

    Redlg155 Member

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    I was wondering...will manufacturers express any reluctance in producing or equipping their weapons with "pre ban" accessories and configurations?

    AR manufacturers...will they start selling models with with bayo lugs, flash supressors and collapsible stocks?

    Handgun Manufacturers...will they start manufacturing and supplying "normal" capacity magazines with their weapons?

    Or will we see some reluctance before full scale production is started?

    I suspect that we will see a bit of reluctance by manufacturers for a couple of months. In the handgun market I'd venture to say they will exhaust their supply of 10rd and under magazines before producing new "normal" capacity. That would give them sufficient time to make sure no new laws would be passed before making changes to their production line. I don't anticipate that Ruger will offer any "normal" capacity.

    As for ARs, I'd think Bushmaster, Rock River, Armalite and others would start selling previously considered pre ban models, since they already had these items in production. The only holdback I would see would be Colt.


    Good Shooting
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  2. Justin

    Justin Moderator Emeritus

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    No official word, but I doubt Ruger will produce standard cap mags for their pistols and rifles. And don't look to pick up a factory folding stock for your Mini14 any time soon.

    But that's because Ruger sucks.

    Every other manufacturer sounds like they're ready to ship stuff starting today.


    Actually, Ruger will probably resist making the new mags until they start to get stomped into a mudhole by everyone buying firearms from their competitors.
     
  3. Harry Tuttle

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    Removing the lug from the AR15 front sight base forging
    and touching up the grind mark takes manufacturing time

    it can also be used as a weapon light attachment point

    Threaded barrels are simpler than pin and soldered barrel ends

    manufacturing a 10 round mag that past BATF scrutiny was an expense that goes away

    Cheap ARs will prolly come with USA 30 rounders

    ABC & RR will prolly ship with teflon labelle 30 rounders
     
  4. marley

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    They can send all of the 10 rd mags to NY ,cali,, NJ, and other states that have a 10 rd max. I think ruger won't last to long if they don't sell full caps. Patrick
     
  5. Nathanael_Greene

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    Taurus is already supplying hi-caps; they're even making it retroactive, sending a free hi-cap to anyone who's bought one of their semi-autos recently.
     
  6. jason10mm

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    Remember, most >10 capacity pistols are made by foreign firms whose primary market is areas that are not affected by the ban.

    Walther, H&K, Berretta, Glock, Sig, Taurus, the XD, FN, CZ, TZ, Para-ordnance, and Styer are all foreign companies that could sell standard cap mags to the rest of the world except us (and our military and LEOs got the good stuff as well). So really, ban era mags are probably a MINORITY of sales, so no re-tooling necessary for any one except Hi-point and Ruger, both of whom probably won't make them anyway.

    The american mag companies like Western and USA mags feel me with fear! Isn't MecGar based in Europe?
     
  7. Kharn

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    Colt has stated that they will not return the evil features to their civilian line of firearms, and that law enforcement models are still intended only for law enforcement and military (6 month wait to get an LEO one, as police and .mil buy them as fast as they come off the line).

    Kharn
     
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    See for yourself:
    www.bushmaster.com
     
  9. Dave Markowitz

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    Colt will not be selling any AR-15s with evil features to Joe Citizen, according to the guys at Surplus City. A poster on AR15.com reported being told the same thing by an industry insider.

    :cuss:
     
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    Almost sounds like a S&W type position back in the day... it's not like the LEO markings will prevent sales after they deliver to distributors... like Wildyouwantacoltalaska...

    Well, Para Ordnance isn't wasting any time, buy a high cap .45, get two free mags. [​IMG]

    Wish they were doing that with the 9mm model too. In their e-mail response, they said I could buy mags from the Para Shop or contact a dealer.
     
  11. PMDW

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    Colt = on the anti-gun manufacturers/dealers list, now. Terrible shame, I wanted a colt lower for my AR project. Oh well.
     
  12. TechBrute

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    Colt ain't all that. It amuses me to see a company shoot itself in the foot by pandering to people that would just as soon see it go under. Who are they trying to please here?
     
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    Colt is trying to please... their largest customers?
     
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    The way I understand it a lot of companies were sitting there watching the clock to turn over so they could turn on the machines and not have to stamp LE only on their guns/Mags.
     
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    I don't know how true this is, but I was told that Smith & Wesson has signed a couple of "truces" with the anti-gunners in our government.

    If this is true, you could certainly add them to the list as well.
     
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    Yes, I believe they engaged in a deal with the Clinton administraton, but if I am not mistaken, they were bought out soon after. If this is true, and they are under new management, they are not eilgible for the list.
     
  17. TechBrute

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    Agreed that their biggest customer is probably mil or LEO, but how does denying evil features to their civilian customer base (which would probably be bigger if their company was run better) please their biggest customers? Did the LEOs tell Colt that if they let civvies have flash suppressors and lugs then the departments would stop buying from them?

    IMHO, this is another retarded attempt by Colt to fly under the radar of the anti-gunners. Yeah, that'll happen.
     
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    What I found interesting discussing the AWB with a non-gun, but not anti-gun coworker.

    He asked why anyone needs "military" weapons. I asked about the 1911 and Beretta 92. I said we shouldn't have them right?
     
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    if what you said is true about Colt screw em...we have rock river, bushmaster and armalite....they make just as good of products and if not better AR's!!!!!!!!
     
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    I'm not saying this isn't true, but it sure sounds like the "Colt doesn't sell to the public" or "Colt is out of business" things I've been hearing for years.
     
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    Brad at EAA said they will continue shipping the Witness pistols with 10 round mags so they "don't have to recall them" if a new AWB is passed. I thinkmore likely they have a ton of the dang things, and no one overseas is going to buy them! They will begin importing hicaps in 30-60 days, so anyone with a Witness 10mm, your 15 round mags will be here soon.
     
  22. BerettaNut92

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    What's Colt's deal?!?! :confused:

    Anyone know where Rock River Arms stand?
     
  23. Justin

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    RRA considers you and I to be trustworthy enough to have a flash hider and bayo lug.
     
  24. TechBrute

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    Not just that, they've been selling uppers configured that way this whole time, unrestricted. They trusted you to obey the law and not put them on your "post-ban" lowers.
     
  25. BerettaNut92

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    THat's kind of neat. :D :) (Anyone in Arizona want an RRA?)

    "Just ask the DEA." :rolleyes:
     
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