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NPR Audio...did I Hear Right?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by NIGHTWATCH, Sep 2, 2004.

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  1. NIGHTWATCH

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  2. TallPine

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    That number is probably about right.

    Which is interesting because IIRC Japan and Europe have a higher suicide rate than the US ... and they manage to do that mostly without guns.
     
  3. spacemanspiff

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    no, no, that MUST be wrong tallpine!!! the only reason people commit suicide in the USA is because of all our guns!!!

    someone must have slipped you a dose of the truth and a mickey of common sense.

    :neener:
     
  4. Bobarino

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    last i looked, the figures for the year 2000 were 58% suicides. i can't remember the website that i found it on though. i know people hate facts posted without a reference, but its just about quittin' time and i'm goin' fishin'. sorry :)

    Bobby
     
  5. R.H. Lee

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    90% of people are under a doctor's care at the time of their death. Proving?
     
  6. Harry Tuttle

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    2001, All Races, Both Sexes
    
    Age
    Group    Rank   Deaths    Cause of Death
    
    <1 
             1        5,513   Congenital Anomalies
             2        4,410   Short Gestation
             3        2,234   SIDS
             4        1,499   Maternal Pregnancy Comp.
             5        1,018   Placenta  Cord Membranes
             6        1,011   Respiratory Distress
             7         976    Unintentional Injury 
             8         696    Bacterial Sepsis
             9         622    Circulatory System Disease
             10        534    Intrauterine Hypoxia
    
    
    1-4 
             1        1,714   Unintentional Injury 
             2         557    Congenital Anomalies
             3         420    Malignant Neoplasms
             4         415    Homicide 
             5         225    Heart Disease
             6         112    Influenza & Pneumonia
             7         108    Septicemia
             8         72     Perinatal Period
             9         58     Benign Neoplasms
             10        54     Cerebrovascular
    
    
    5-9 
             1        1,283   Unintentional Injury 
             2         493    Malignant Neoplasms
             3         182    Congenital Anomalies
             4         137    Homicide 
             5         98     Heart Disease
             6         52     Benign Neoplasms
             7         46     Influenza & Pneumonia
             8         42     Chronic Low. Respiratory Disease
             9         38     Cerebrovascular
             10        29     Septicemia
    
    
    10-14 
             1        1,553   Unintentional Injury 
             2         515    Malignant Neoplasms
             3         272    Suicide 
             4         194    Congenital Anomalies
             5         189    Homicide 
             6         174    Heart Disease
             7         62     Chronic Low. Respiratory Disease
             8         53     Benign Neoplasms
             9         46     Influenza & Pneumonia
             10        42     Cerebrovascular
    
    
    15-19 
             1        6,646   Unintentional Injury 
             2        1,899   Homicide 
             3        1,611   Suicide 
             4         732    Malignant Neoplasms
             5         347    Heart Disease
             6         255    Congenital Anomalies
             7         74     Chronic Low. Respiratory Disease
             8         68     Cerebrovascular
             9         66     Influenza & Pneumonia
             10        57     Septicemia
    
    
    20-24 
             1        7,765   Unintentional Injury 
             2        3,398   Homicide 
             3        2,360   Suicide 
             4         972    Malignant Neoplasms
             5         652    Heart Disease
             6         250    Congenital Anomalies
             7         183    HIV
             8         128    Cerebrovascular
             9         115    Influenza & Pneumonia
             10        103    Diabetes Mellitus
    
    
    25-34 
             1       11,839   Unintentional Injury 
             2        5,204   Homicide 
             3        5,070   Suicide 
             4        3,994   Malignant Neoplasms
             5        3,160   Heart Disease
             6        2,101   HIV
             7         601    Cerebrovascular
             8         595    Diabetes Mellitus
             9         458    Congenital Anomalies
             10        387    Liver Disease
    
    
    http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/leadcaus.html
     
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    Violence-Related Firearm Deaths and Rates per 100,000 
    All Races, 
    Both Sexes, 
    ICD-10 Codes: X72-X74,X93-X95,Y35.0, *U01.4 
    
    
    
    
         Number of                    Crude     Age-Adjusted
            Deaths      Population     Rate           Rate**
    
            28,540     285,317,572    10.00             9.92
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    2001, United States 
    Suicide Firearm Deaths and Rates per 100,000 
    All Races, 
    Both Sexes, 
    ICD-10 Codes: X72-X74 
    
    
    
    
         Number of                    Crude     Age-Adjusted
            Deaths      Population     Rate           Rate**
    
            16,869     285,317,572     5.91             5.90
    
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    Suicide Injury Deaths and Rates per 100,000 
    All Races, 
    Both Sexes, 
    ICD-10 Codes: X60-X84, Y87.0,*U03 
    
    
    
    
         Number of                    Crude     Age-Adjusted
            Deaths      Population     Rate           Rate**
    
            30,622     285,317,572    10.73            10.69
    http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_fy.html
     
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    100% of all people that die are homo sapiens! We must cure this disease so that no one will die from being a homo sapien!:D :rolleyes:
     
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    So, if National Pravda Radio says it's true, it must be true, I guess.
     
  10. TallPine

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    Anyone can quote a statistic that is either true or false.

    The fact that a person (organization, etc) twists a statistic around to prove their own point does not necessarily make the statistic false.

    Looking at any specific statistic, you have to analyze it within the context of a lot of other facts, including other statistics.

    I learned in a college statistics class that tornados in Kansas and the barracuda catch off of Florida are statistically correlated. ;)
     
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    Does anyone else find it surprising that in 15-24 year olds heart disease is the number 4-5 killer?
     
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    That figure is the one in the criminological and psychological research. It really isn't an RKBA issue or one to go nuts about. It's probably true.

    In fact, the argument is fairly convincing as it reduces the actually evil gun use death significantly by 50%. The evidence is convincing that even with a total gun ban the suicide rate would probably remain the same as other methods would be substituted.

    So chill out. I know that facts sometimes intrude on ideology. This isn't the case here.
     
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    Having worked with suicidal clients, I can say that this is very true:

    If someone truly wants to die, they will find a way to do it. Guns are an effective means to end your life, but if suicidal people don't have access to a gun, they will find another plan.
     
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    Actually, in regard to the suicides in Japan at least, it's not just the rate that's higher, but the actual number of successful suicides as well.
     
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    It is an absolute, provable FACT, that 100%, that is right, 100%, of the people who die each year had been breathing.

    It is apparent that the cause of death is breathing, and that practice must be banned immediately.

    Jim
     
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    To summarize Harry Tuttle's data, in 2001:

    59.1% of firearm deaths were suicides.
    55% of suicides were committed with a gun.

    50,930 violent deaths

    20,308 homicides
    11,348 killed with a gun
    8,960 killed without a gun

    30,622 suicides
    16,869 suicide with a gun
    13,753 suicide without a gun

    Or maybe a pretty picture, specially prepared with High Road colors:

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    Let's see how we compare to the world:
    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/hea_sui_rat_mal

    Selected gun-free utopias:
    Japan - 25 per 100,000
    Australia - 21.5 per 100,000
    Canada - 21.5 per 100,000

    United States - 19.8 per 100,000

    On the other hand...

    United Kingdom - 11 per 100,000



    (that's just males; you can see females at http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/hea_sui_rat_fem )


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    What a great site!

    By the way, did you know that more than 12% of Americans smoke pot?
    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/lif_can_use

    Take a look at eight people at work tomorrow. One of `em is probably high! :D
     

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