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NRA giving up on NY?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by GiorgioG, Jan 15, 2013.

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  1. GiorgioG

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    http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/n...arding-the-passage-of-s-2230-in-new-york.aspx

    'meaningful conversation'? How about meaningful legal action? It feels like my membership fee, donations, etc. were wasted (at least at the state level.)
     
  2. chevyman097

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    Write them. Call them. They(NY) just signed the thing hours ago.
     
  3. ATBackPackin

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    The vote in NY was railroaded and done purposefully that way so the lobby and the people could not do anything about it. They admitted as much in the Assembly today.
     
  4. Trent

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    Yes, they did. They SPECIFICALLY said it was done this way to avoid pressure from lobbying groups.
     
  5. GiorgioG

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    I have been, as have many people - the legislators didn't care, and it's likely that the NRA will cede NY to concentrate on the national stage.
     
  6. InkEd

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    It's a shame that NYC carries so much pull over the rest of the actual state. IMHO the current Cuomo is a cancer on the state just like his father, probably even worse.

    I don't think things are going to improve much in New York, it's neighboring states, Illinois, and California. I hope the NRA tries to help the citizens of those states. However, I think it would be wise to not waste too many resources on lost-cause places that are made-up of a lot of wealthy liberals.

    I think one of the causes the NRA needs to add to its agenda is to dissolve the electoral college or reform it so that each state gets an equal amount of votes like in the Senate. The select areas do NOT represent the majority of Americans.

    Obama is NOT the CHOICE of MOST Americans. Gun control is NOT favored by MOST Americans. His other socialist policies (e.g. Obamacare) are NOT the CHOICE of MOST
    Americans. He is the WORST president in the history of the country based on economic policy, national security, constitutional rights and abuses of power. Under the undesired and wrongfully elected rule of such a tyrant, it is essential that citizens maintain the rights granted to them by the founding fathers.

    The purpose of the second amendment is to insure the security of the other amendments.
     
  7. anchorman

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    Actually the numbers make a different case. "Gun control" in some form or another is favored by most americans. an confiscation is not favored. and regarding the president, he actually did win a plurality of the voting populace in addition to the electoral college. If you go by the number of votes cast, americans on the whole actually favored democrats to be in charge of the house too. if you are against them, you should be in favor of the gerrymandering that made the republican majority in the house possible. Republicans are a dying breed, and unfortunately for us as advocates of gun rights (since most democrats are not helping us), their other political positions are only going to marginalize them with the voting public further as time goes on, and open doors further for our rights to be restricted.

    if we want to have the government on our side like it was for many years promoting gun rights and safety with programs such as the CMP, and not trying to restrict our rights, we are going to have to work at cultivating pro RKBA politicians on both sides of the aisle and change the game. the BOR and especially the 2A are not partisan issues, and we cannot afford to let them become such any more than they already are. we need to make it political suicide for politicians of any stripe to violate our rights.
     
  8. parsimonious_instead

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    I was told this story by one of the fellows at my range. At a "friends of the NRA" dinner, he pointedly asked an NRA rep for some help with New York. He was basically told that they have mostly written off NYS, good luck and good night.
    Funny, though, how they'll still happily accept new members and donations from NYS though...
     
  9. browningguy

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    As long as New York keeps electing those types of people that's what they'll get. Heck, in NYC the government even tells them how big a coke serving can be and everyone seems fine with that.
     
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    And they should continue to accept them. The thing is as powerful as the NRA and the rest of these groups may be, they can't win anything without the support of the people there. While you have many in NY willing to act, you have more that are willing to let others take actions on their behalf with out putting effort of their own beyond making payouts.

    You can't win anything like that. Let's all take note and continue to take action.
     
  11. Prince Yamato

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    Canada has better gun laws than NY, at this point. That should tell you something.

    I'm from NY. I honestly had hope for the state. If you bolster the other states, you'll have a stronger chance of pushing hard against NY.

    Right now, the most you can look forward to us getting the 7rnd mag limit tossed for 10 rounds.
     
  12. Sam1911

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    I can't speak as to whether or not the NRA has "written off" NY, but when you look at what just happened this afternoon it is really hard to imagine what the NRA could possibly have done. The vote was totally skewed toward a train wreck of legislation that the supporters themselves admitted would do no good. As lopsided as the vote was, I can understand the NRA trying to shepherd the resources to places where it will do the most good. The NRA can't dictate law and it can't change the minds of so many millions of NY-ers and their befuddled "leaders." Folks have to WANT their rights...

    The real heavy lifting on behalf of NY now shifts to fighting this in the courts, primarily the realm of by SAF.
     
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    yep. the president won 150% in some districts.
     
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    Am I even allowed to own a shotgun in NY now? And how the hell does "registration" of semi-auto's work?
     
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    I should clarify.... majority of STATES (in the United States of America) were NOT for Obama! He did get a lot of votes. Especially, in some states that have known problems with
    illegals committing voter fraud. (*cough* California*cough)

    I feel that this country is EXTREMELY divided politically, morally and ethically.
     
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    Sometimes you have to be cold-blooded practical.

    With limited resources the NRA needs to put it's money where there is a chance of winning. Unfortunately New York State is not one of those places. The NRA can, and probably will join with others to carry the fight into the courts. But beyond that, given the political situation in New York, there is not a whole lot they can do.

    If you are an NRA member you can (and should) write them and suggest practical and workable solutions or actions that might be undertaken.

    I presume that in some districts you and others could help and support efforts to run new candidates - both in the primary and regular elections - where a gun control supporter might be unseated. Doing grunt work is no fun, but it makes the wheels go around.
     
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    Query: Is prosecution under a law passed without due process a denial of due process?

    It sounded like a majority of voters on this legislation felt it was improperly rushed into law to avoid due debate. NYC is beyond the reach of external organizations at present, seems. Until NY and NYC form their own grass-roots activist circles capabale of taking on the entrenched establishment, there is little we outside the state can do for you folks, aside from waiting for a Supreme Court ruling.

    By circumventing/subverting the rules guiding our Constitutional Republic, the leadership of that state (well, City, really) has ensconced itself via Democratic Majority. They have been working tirelessly for centuries to remove the shackles placed upon them by our Republic that protect minorities from arbitrary and punitive legislation.

    You are not alone, but you are separated from us who would help by a thick barrier of accumulated State and local political power. It is a shame this overreach is not crass enough to provoke outright rebellion now, since that will be no longer be viable once this law comes to pass. Instead, they have selected slow strangulation as the means to best deny your human rights; hoping each incremental tightening of their fist will be tolerated by those they seek to rule with impunity.

    Mass demonstrations and civil disobeince in downtown by gunowners of the outlying areas of the state are probably the only recouses at this point to force the leaders of the state to accomodate more than just their majority. I've been told gun ownership is prevalent in the areas away from NYC; if they make up even 2% of the population of that state, a massive protest or exhibition of civil disobedience may well force the hand of the state government. Convince people they need to spend a couple hundred now defending their rights by going downtown, or all their thousands in firearms will be forfeit within a decade.

    At least NYC will lend credence to the argument that a round-limit will only lead to a reduced round-limit, and that bans of some guns will only lead to a ban of more, and that registration will only lead to confiscation and imprisonment of those exercising their God-given, Constitutionally-enumerated rights. It is terrible what has happened to you all, but from time to time we must lose the Alamo and Thermopylae so we might rally to victory in San Jacinto and Marathon.

    All is not lost, but there is a long road ahead of ya'll. I'm sure that the rest of us Patriots outside your state will do our utmost to help when we are able. I am almost to the pont of advocating the covert legal personal manufacture of legal personal firearms and ammunition within the state to at least thwart the omniscient gaze on gun buyers.

    TCB

    Neither were the Bolsheviks or the Jacobin Club--tyranny never enjoys majority backing, only majority acceptance
     
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    If you can get the 7 round thing tossed and raised to ten, that would be probably as good as you can do in court.

    DC had to allow semi auto handguns with ten round magazines. After that and even with the dumb registration, DC is considered compliant with the 2nd Amendent. Chicago is the same way.
     
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    They compile a data base of who has what and where. Then, they say those guns illegal. And, that knock at the door is NOT Publisher's Clearing House bringing you a check.

    Once the madness is pushed back on a national level. Focus can then shift to areas where abuses of power have occurred. In the end, New Yorkers are going to have to do a better job of electing politicians. AND, this is not just in NY. Too many conservatives stayed home in Nov for whatever reason. Elections have consequences... a lot of folks just realized that when they got their first paycheck in 2013. Nothing from the government is ever free. It has to be taken from someone else first.

    I would not be too quick to throw out the NRA. They are the 2nd Amendments biggest support group right now.
     
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    I think once a majority of people with pistol permits go and check to see if their gun is in compliance 8 months from now and realize, "oh, it's not?! I thought this only banned dangerous weapons?!" they'll reset it to 10 rounds. I don't think a large percentage of the "premises only" and "business only" permits in NYC have spoken yet. I think there'll be a backlash spurred by inconvenience.
     
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    Right now the national level is so important I would think the NRA has it's sights on that for the next few weeks. That does not mean they have 'written off' individual states.

    We need to stick together, there are other organizations out there but the NRA is working hard and still very powerful. Don't give up your membership, give it time and keep fighting the good fight.

    "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately."
    -Ben Franklin
     
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    You want to do something? Start by watching this video.
     
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    Visions of the NRA throwing in the towel in California on that ban.

    To be fair though, the California thing was a long time in the offing and not always a "sure thing"

    These NY clowns rammed this through in record time in part to this end regarding the speed: (Form CBS) "Cuomo said he wanted quick action to avoid a run on assault weapons and ammunition as he tries to address what he estimates is about 1 million assault weapons in New York state."
     
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    As Sam said, the fight in New York will now shift to the courts. There are many, many grounds upon which to challenge this bill, and I hope that free New Yorkers will fight for their rights, and that those of us outside New York will support them in that fight. But right now the bigger battle is at the national level.
     
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    Doing away with the electoral college would let my vote matter. I'm sure that the left doesn't want me to be able to vote for the president, and neither wants to open up the ballpark for other parties.

    I hope the NRA-ILA is pressuring the New York courts to see our side of things. Especially with a law that was railroaded through just to "do something". Personally, if I were on their side of the fence, I'd be upset right now that the law was signed in like this, because doing it so forcefully means it can potentially be overrun by the courts.
     
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