NRA Lawsuit against Washington State
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MD_Willington
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If that is the case, get a hold of your state reps now...
cubanitojr
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Just Emailed Ross Hunter
Does it really mean the case is OVER?
I just called SAF, the Gentleman I talked to did not have any details on whats going on. I just gave him the link to this forum.
Dear Mr. Hunter.
We e-mailed back and forth last year on the Alien Firearm Issue. As you may recall, Green card holders residents of the state of WA, do require an Alien's Firearm License, the DOL can not issue it because is not considered a Criminal Agency by the FBI as they state in this link http://www.dol.wa.gov/business/firearms/faalien.html It is a Catch-22 situation. You can only start the citizenship application only after 5 years of being a greencard holder (No way around this requirement, just plain Inmigration law) in my case,I could apply for citizenship only by the end of 2010.
It is finally January 2009.
There is civil lawsuit going on vs. State of Washington, DOL Director and Issaquah Sheriff, here is a forum link with detailed information. I thought it would be helpful.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=405574&page=3
* How can you help law abiding greencard holders obtaining the AFL?
* Is there any new law on the works to fix this issue?
* What happened with bill ESHB 3148?
I really do not want to miss hunting season this year, also have farm land on eastern WA country side, as you may understand owning a rifle, may come useful for me in order to protect my family and private property. Never had this issue when I lived in California, since there Greencard holders enjoy the rights granted by the 2nd Amendment of the this beautiful country constitution.
My apologies for the sermon.
Best Regards,
The email above my response to the email below:
June 6, 2008
The solution to this problem is to move the responsibility for issuing these permits from DOL to the State Patrol. Since it will involve moving staff around this may be difficult. The inertia that these people create is painful. I will get one of the guys who work on gun issues to work through this and make sure they get it right.
I tend to irritate the pro-gun people, so it’s better if I’m not the guy working it. I don’t have any issues with this – I’m sure the people who actually apply for these licenses do not cause much problem, and probably generate some revenue for parts of the state that could use it.
We can’t do anything until January. You’ll miss hunting season this year. Sorry. You should apply for citizenship at some point and avoid this hassle.
Representative Ross Hunter
Finance Committee Chairman
333 John L. O'Brien Building
Capitol Campus
Olympia, WA 98504
(360) 786-7936 Olympia Office
(425) 453-3064 District Office
Does it really mean the case is OVER?
I just called SAF, the Gentleman I talked to did not have any details on whats going on. I just gave him the link to this forum.
Dear Mr. Hunter.
We e-mailed back and forth last year on the Alien Firearm Issue. As you may recall, Green card holders residents of the state of WA, do require an Alien's Firearm License, the DOL can not issue it because is not considered a Criminal Agency by the FBI as they state in this link http://www.dol.wa.gov/business/firearms/faalien.html It is a Catch-22 situation. You can only start the citizenship application only after 5 years of being a greencard holder (No way around this requirement, just plain Inmigration law) in my case,I could apply for citizenship only by the end of 2010.
It is finally January 2009.
There is civil lawsuit going on vs. State of Washington, DOL Director and Issaquah Sheriff, here is a forum link with detailed information. I thought it would be helpful.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=405574&page=3
* How can you help law abiding greencard holders obtaining the AFL?
* Is there any new law on the works to fix this issue?
* What happened with bill ESHB 3148?
I really do not want to miss hunting season this year, also have farm land on eastern WA country side, as you may understand owning a rifle, may come useful for me in order to protect my family and private property. Never had this issue when I lived in California, since there Greencard holders enjoy the rights granted by the 2nd Amendment of the this beautiful country constitution.
My apologies for the sermon.
Best Regards,
The email above my response to the email below:
June 6, 2008
The solution to this problem is to move the responsibility for issuing these permits from DOL to the State Patrol. Since it will involve moving staff around this may be difficult. The inertia that these people create is painful. I will get one of the guys who work on gun issues to work through this and make sure they get it right.
I tend to irritate the pro-gun people, so it’s better if I’m not the guy working it. I don’t have any issues with this – I’m sure the people who actually apply for these licenses do not cause much problem, and probably generate some revenue for parts of the state that could use it.
We can’t do anything until January. You’ll miss hunting season this year. Sorry. You should apply for citizenship at some point and avoid this hassle.
Representative Ross Hunter
Finance Committee Chairman
333 John L. O'Brien Building
Capitol Campus
Olympia, WA 98504
(360) 786-7936 Olympia Office
(425) 453-3064 District Office
MD_Willington
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Apparently the case is still going ahead, you can call the NRA regarding this..
PS..
I'm a member of both the SAF & the NRA now...
PS..
I'm a member of both the SAF & the NRA now...
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MD_Willington
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ants, your right, but until then, the easiest route is to have my local Sheriff handle the AFL just like my CPL or the WSP handle the license as both are allowed access to NLETS.
Further more, the FBI could stop being useless and allow the DOL to use the NLETS info, just like in my letter submitted to the FBI via Cathy McMorris Rogers and per Ross Hunters work.
DOL has been called a LEO agency regarding the back ground checks just like the FBI wanted, but as soon as the AFL issue comes up the FBI pull a JF Kerry and flip flop.
Further more, the FBI could stop being useless and allow the DOL to use the NLETS info, just like in my letter submitted to the FBI via Cathy McMorris Rogers and per Ross Hunters work.
DOL has been called a LEO agency regarding the back ground checks just like the FBI wanted, but as soon as the AFL issue comes up the FBI pull a JF Kerry and flip flop.
justice4all
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The whole licensing procedure needs to go, not be reinstated. I sincerely hope that that is the outcome of the lawsuit, but perhaps that will be compromised away.
Solution,
As a Canadian Citizen, rubbing borders for thirty years, I think we should be able to apply for American Citizenship after two years with a green card! Why not, it is the same dirt and water we share.
Would not all you nice Americans love to have a Brit/Canadian, who spent time in the Brit Army as a Citizen? Ex Firearms Instructor, worked for Glock.
Well what do you think?
As a Canadian Citizen, rubbing borders for thirty years, I think we should be able to apply for American Citizenship after two years with a green card! Why not, it is the same dirt and water we share.
Would not all you nice Americans love to have a Brit/Canadian, who spent time in the Brit Army as a Citizen? Ex Firearms Instructor, worked for Glock.
Well what do you think?
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Here is the new 2009 bill (overdue for 3 years now) that would fix the issue and eliminate the AFL for green card holders, if passed
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=1052&year=2009
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=1052&year=2009
MD_Willington
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Next session starts on the 14th, get sending the bill number to your reps ASAP...
Looks like it is Scheduled for the 15th... get going Go, Go, Go !!!
Looks like it is Scheduled for the 15th... get going Go, Go, Go !!!
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MD_Willington
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RE HB1052 support...
Krista Winters said:
MD_Willington
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That's <nonsense>... It violates all of our rights...
Gungnir
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Sent this to my representatives, and senator
RE: HB 1052 as sponsored by Representative Moeller
This bill has been proposed to try to eliminate the Catch-22 situation that currently exists in possession of Firearms by both Legal Permanent Resident Aliens and Non-Immigrant aliens, by requiring an Alien Firearms License that cannot be issued by the issuing body.
As an LPR I believe that the current situation violates my second amendment rights, as given by the 14th amendment for equal protection and due process. This view is also held by the National Rifle Association, and the Second Amendment Foundation who are currently pursuing this through the State Federal Court.
It appears that the reading of this bill is scheduled for Jan 15th, given the current legal action being taken against the state it would seem prudent to both ensure that this bill is heard and ratified at the first opportunity.
Thank you for your time.
RE: HB 1052 as sponsored by Representative Moeller
This bill has been proposed to try to eliminate the Catch-22 situation that currently exists in possession of Firearms by both Legal Permanent Resident Aliens and Non-Immigrant aliens, by requiring an Alien Firearms License that cannot be issued by the issuing body.
As an LPR I believe that the current situation violates my second amendment rights, as given by the 14th amendment for equal protection and due process. This view is also held by the National Rifle Association, and the Second Amendment Foundation who are currently pursuing this through the State Federal Court.
It appears that the reading of this bill is scheduled for Jan 15th, given the current legal action being taken against the state it would seem prudent to both ensure that this bill is heard and ratified at the first opportunity.
Thank you for your time.
Technically the Bill of Rights applies to everyone, whether they reside in the US or not. They are preexisting according to the document.
There is no reason why anyone in this country should not have them apply. Period. End of discussion. Ktxhbye
There is no reason why anyone in this country should not have them apply. Period. End of discussion. Ktxhbye
MD_Willington
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Sent and received the following:
MD_Willington said:
Ross Hunter said:
Gungnir
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Well let's hope that the General legislature don't bury their heads in the sand and try to ignore this issue for the 3rd/4th year in a row.
Maybe the threat of the SAF/NRA bearing down might make this a priority this session.
Maybe the threat of the SAF/NRA bearing down might make this a priority this session.
MD_Willington
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I know this is mixing the lawsuit with the HB1052, but I was contacted by another of my local reps today. I'm guessing he'll be on board too.
We really need a lot of WA State LPR's and residents to contact their reps and get them in favor too.
We really need a lot of WA State LPR's and residents to contact their reps and get them in favor too.
I am in this situation. I am a "Permanent Resident" of the U.S. which is the next step up from "resident alien". I have had a Alien Firearms Licence and Wa. State conceald carry for over 10 years. Suddenly because the state changes it's laws I have to get rid of all my firearms or move to another state or become a fellon? It's not right. Please support us on this issue. I am a tax paying U.S. Merchant Mariner, I have 4 different security clearences, including a T.S.A. issued ID. We should at least be Grand Farthered in... we need support on this one ...
Gungnir
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WA State HB 1052
Sponsors: Representatives Moeller, Williams, Blake, Chase, Kretz
Chase is one of my representatives, but in 1 day it's had an increase of 4 sponsors.
Thought you'd like to know.
Sponsors: Representatives Moeller, Williams, Blake, Chase, Kretz
Chase is one of my representatives, but in 1 day it's had an increase of 4 sponsors.
Thought you'd like to know.
MD_Willington
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Moeller, Williams, Blake, Chase, Kretz, Hunter, Schmick, Schoesler.
Not bad, only 2 days to go...
Not bad, only 2 days to go...
cubanitojr
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Decision
It says the bill is scheduled for a public hearing. Are they making the decision or voting on the 15th? If so, when does it becomes effective?
Thanks.
It says the bill is scheduled for a public hearing. Are they making the decision or voting on the 15th? If so, when does it becomes effective?
Thanks.
MD_Willington
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I'll ask some of my reps.
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