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  1. macadore

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    NRA Making Deals Again



    Written by Jeff Knox, on 07-31-2008 09:35


    Acording to The Hill newspaper, the NRA has made a deal with House Democrats on a "compromise" DC gun law bill.
    The burning question now is, "Why?".
    If the report is accurate, NRA has agreed to support a compromise bill that would force DC to minimally comply with the Supreme Court's June ruling in the Heller case. The city has so far enacted emergency legislation which makes it very difficult for a DC resident to legally own a handgun or have it available for self-defense in the home. Republicans have introduced a sweeping firearms reform bill for the District, but it has been bottled up by the Democrat leadership. Republicans were trying to get pro-gun Democrats to join them in a petition to force the bill onto the House floor for a vote. Democrats don't want to debate and vote on anything as contentious as a serious DC gun bill so pro-gun Democrats led by John Dingell (D-Michigan), Mike Ross (D-Arkansas), and Mike Tanner (D-Tennessee) reached out to NRA for a deal.
    Republicans are rightously furious over the deal which they were hoping to use as a wedge issue in the coming elections.
    Again, the burning question is "Why?". Why would NRA make this deal at this time? What advantage does such a deal give them or the gun rights movement?
    We are heading into an election in which many experts are predicting major Democrat gains. The Presidential candidates are both unappealing to GunVoters and have been somewhat lulled into a sense of security by the Heller victory. And there have been no contentious, gun-related bills debated in Congress to fire voters up and separate the sheep from the goats in a long, long time. Now would be an excellent time to have a loud debate about gun control and DC's outrageous response to the Heller decision is an excellent topic for such a debate. GunVoters are all very aware of the Heller decision and DC's continuing refusal to comply with the clear intent of that decision. Pro-gun members of Congress are pushing a discharge petition that would force the fight to the floor. Even without this NRA deal, it is very unlikely that the 218 signatures needed on the discharge petition could be garnered, but the petition itself would be a good barometer for judging a politician's commitment to gun rights. The fight and the grading would be over the discharge petition rather than the actual bill. With Heller and others having filed lawsuits to force DC to comply with the ruling, action by Congress is not really desirable as it would nullify those lawsuits, but that shouldn't really be a concern as long as the core bill is strong enought in its support of gun rights to be thoroughly unpalatable to the Democrat leadership. Nancy Pelosi is never going to allow a sweeping gun rights statement to come out of "her House."
    So that brings us back to this agreement and the question, "Why?". With this agreement a compromise bill which very narrowly addresses the DC issues wuold be brought forward with NRA support. This bill (which should be introduced later today) is expected to be narrow and limited enough to be acceptable to Pelosi and company. That means it can easily pass through the House - where pro-gun members would have little choice but to vote for it - and into the Senate where, again, it ahould face little opposition. This strategy kills the lawsuits while shielding the anti-gun and faux-pro-gun mambers of Congress thereby effectively removing the only issue around which GunVoters could have been effectively rallied...
    I recently wrote a piece for The Knox Report that described how a future "assault weapons" ban might be passed with NRA support. The article was intended to be a warning to NRA members to keep a close eye on their organization because there is a history of the group making seriously bad compromises that they call victories. While not as dramatic as an assault weapons ban, this appears to be another one of those mistakes.
     
  2. JohnBlaze

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    that just makes no sense to me. There's no reason not to fight it out, the gun owners are in the right on this one, and DC has flagrantly ignored the supreme court's ruling, simply by changing the wording on their new gun laws.

    What a crock of SHHHHHHHHHHH.

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    There is Legalities, and there is Politics.

    Doing this now might prevent a AWB later.
     
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    Wouldn't surprise me one bit if the NRA was truely up to this. And if true, every NRA member should send back their card and ask for their money to be refunded.
     
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    Once again this is why I am an annual NRA member for shooting sports and a lifetime goa member . Occasional crazy/paranoia that comes out of goa is way better than spineless compromise
     
  8. JohnBT

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    Also according to TheHill.com -

    Editorial

    Gunning for Nov.
    By The Hill Editors

    Posted: 07/23/08 05:49 PM [ET]

    It’s not easy to get lawmakers to pay attention to issues other than energy and housing when gas is $4 per gallon and banks are announcing record losses due to failing mortgage investments.


    Yet that’s exactly what the National Rifle Association is attempting to do by grading members on whether they sign a discharge petition to force a vote on an NRA-backed bill. Given the lobby’s clout, the chances are that many lawmakers will give it a serious look.


    The NRA remains one of the nation’s most powerful lobbies, and it is wisely seeking to capitalize on its historic Second Amendment victory last month at the Supreme Court. The high court’s 5-4 decision that the District of Colombia’s handgun ban was unconstitutional gave a shot in the arm to the NRA and gun-rights supporters around the country.


    Now the NRA is trying to ensure that its court win extends to the legislative branch by rallying for legislation sponsored by Rep. Mike Ross (D-Ark.) that would eliminate gun registration and end criminal penalties for possessing an unregistered firearm.


    The bill also would undo the District’s new handgun law instituted in the wake of the Supreme Court decision. The new law still bans some semi-automatic handguns, which it treats as machine guns, and in the NRA’s view includes burdensome rules on storing guns. It also makes it far too difficult for gun owners to register their firearms, according to the NRA.


    Getting 218 lawmakers to sign the petition would discharge Ross’s bill to the floor, forcing a vote. That would be quite a feat for a measure that has been stuck in committee for more than a year, despite 247 co-sponsors, including 56 Democrats.


    The NRA move puts those 56 Democrats in an uncomfortable position. They can either challenge their leadership months before an election by supporting the discharge petition, or they can risk their ratings with a powerful lobby that has proved it can bring out voters, particularly in rural areas.


    We make no judgment on the substance of the legislation, which touches not only on gun control but on the sensitive issue of home rule in the District.


    Still, it is a savvy political move by a lobby group that could face a Congress and executive branch next year that look with less favor on its issue.


    Even if the discharge petition fails or the Ross bill gets a vote but does not become law, the NRA will be forcing members of the majority party to declare their allegiances. Those who side with the NRA give the lobby group more clout in the next Congress.


    Those who don’t become targets, and in the past, the NRA has shown it has some clout on the campaign trail. By, for the first time in 20 years, grading whether lawmakers sign a discharge petition, the NRA is trying to make sure a big victory doesn’t slip into the sand.
     
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  10. Frank Ettin

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    The Jeff Knox screed is just another example of why the NRA bashing, so called "no compromise" gun organizations have never accomplished anything.
     
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    They didn't get new machineguns banned or force vets diagnosed with PTSD to go through a long drawn out process to be able to buy guns again either.

    But hey, blind love for the NRA is "great".

    No law at all is better than bad law.
     
  12. Wakal

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    Sure, and the NRA "Compromise Kings" have given us SO much...NFA, GCA, FO"P"A, the '94 "Assault Weapons" ban...thanks, NRA!

    All the little groups have drawn a line and said "cross not this line." Meanwhile, the NRA is selling their soul to the enemy and sending out another wave of begging letters.




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    If I may translate:

    "Don't send your money to the NRA. Send it to us. Because."
     
  14. CBS220

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    To continue, as Bogie left off much too early,

    " So what if we've never done anything, we don't have millions of members, significant clout, or an enormous infrastructure and lots of training programs. Send it to us. We'll scream and shout and be ignored, but at least we'll be screaming and shouting the right thing, even though it does tend to scare off anyone who may have been on the fence about the issue."
     
  15. Frank Ettin

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    So what? They draw that line in the sand, and it get crossed over and over again. They are all talk. It's easy to be "no compromise" if you're never held accountable for actually achieving any concrete results.

    He who insists on "all or nothing" winds up with nothing.
     
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    Read JohnBT's post - obviously there is more than one way to "spin" this.

    Some view it is a savvy political move on the NRAs part, to use gun rights as a wedge issue against an anti-gun Democratic majority in Congress.

    Of course, whatever the NRA does, some people are going to say they are compromising and selling us out. If the NRA backed a bill to remove the NFA restrictions on submachine guns, these clowns would line up screaming "What about rifle caliber machine guns? The NRA has sold us out again!"

    This is the way it is with all paranoid conspiracy theory people. Whatever you say or do, even if it obviously contradicts their theory, is just interpreted as just another part of the conspiracy.
     
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    where is that link from yesterday where the feds were going to make the dc go by the laws instead of making up there own
     
  18. Wes Janson

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    Okay. So in the larger scheme of the Second Amendment, what has all of that clout bought us? Has the NFA been repealed? Has the populace become better armed, or has its level of armament declined? By "armament", I don't refer to Glocks 17 or Beretta 92s. I refer to the Dillion Aero M134s, FNH M249s, and Colt Defense M4s. The right to carry movement is tremendously important, but I'm not at all certain that it makes up for the restrictions and losses of our rights in other areas.

    Fair enough. The only real way to know is if we had the text of the bill, and knew just what sort of "compromises" the NRA actually made. However, it's a fair concern to have about the NRA considering that they tried to stop our "victory" from ever happening in the first place (and then made it out to be far more than it really is).
     
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    You have RTC in the majority of states. You have an assault weapons ban that sunsetted. You have protections against the misuse of trace information. You have frivolous lawsuit protection. You have a group working with communities to teach how to use firearms and to familiarize people with safety.

    Had we followed the GOA strategy and screamed our heads off about wanting miniguns, the mainstream would have written us off as nutjobs and we would have none of that, and much less quite likely. These no compromise types ruin all sorts of things. Oh yes, lets oppose licensed CCW because it isn't Vermont carry... sounds smart, right :rolleyes:

    You have to know how to play the game to get anything done. You complain that we do not have a 100% perfectly whole right to bear arms, however, you neglect to realize that we would have so much less if we followed the GOA scheme.
     
  20. Jorg Nysgerrig

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    It if wasn't for GOA, who would stand up for your right to bash the NRA while accomplishing nothing else?
     
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    Typical column by the Firearms Coalition:

    Inspirational speech on how things are going along
    Grassroots support is great
    We've had troubles with the NRA in the past, but its all behind us
    NRA never helps grassroots effort
    Something about the late Mr. Knox
    Join X and Y today.
     
  22. MakAttak

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    Rights were lost in increments. Rights will be regained in increments.

    The only way we would get a revolutionary change would be with a... revolution.

    I know many people foment for that, but I prefer to work within the system. I know it's hard to believe, but it is working. Look at where we were twenty years ago and look at where we are now.
     
  23. Frank Ettin

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    And how far has the GOA or any of the other "no compromise" organizations taken us down that path?
     
  24. whosyrdaddy

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    Funny, I always thought the NRA was much older than that.:confused:
     
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    The NRA is an exterminator.

    Antis are the rats

    If they killed all the rats we wouldnt need them anymore.

    This seems like a simple enough equation.
     
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