Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Aim1, Jan 28, 2021.
It is the right to KEEP and BEAR. Period.
Good for the NRA. But I'm still not going to send money until they clean house and terminate Wayne LaPierre.
"We" probably need more of these "un-necessarily burdened" "excess paperwork" lawsuits. Which may follow if the NJ & MD suits against requiring "legitimate need" are overturned.
The only success the 2nd Amendment Society of NJ has had with these lawsuits is eliminating some paperwork that was outright and blatantly against the 4th Amendment. For example, years ago, if you applied for a Firearm ID Card, one of the things on there was that the Police could call your employer and ask questions about your mental competence. That was removed. You still have to provide non family personal references which have to attest to your sound mind. The whole process is specifically set up to prevent people from exercising their 2nd Amendment rights. Don't even get me started on NJ using their own NICS system which takes 5-7 days before it gets approved. Instead of the national average of 20-30 minutes (if my research is accurate).
We will see if SCOTUS takes any clear cases and not peripheral issues.
People don't talk about it much, but the state also requires two NJ references to fill out and sign an official form testifying to your suitability to own a pistol. When I lived in NJ I'd friends who were neutral on guns, and provided the forms, but it's a hell of a thing to be subjected to this requirement. And it's not just once, but every time. That really needs to go.
Indeed. Now, it's all done digitally, but yes, this aspect of the firearm purchasing process in NJ is head shaking to say the least. I've been in NJ for a decade, and just about every year we ask the SCOTUS to look at these requirements, and every year, they put it on the docket, and then stay their review of these items. It's incredibly frustrating. Happily, the more I get into this, both shooting wise and politically, the more people I have to watch my back on these sort of things. We certainly have enough people to mount a good fight, but we aren't really given the option. Very sad.
I can't believe you have to have 2 references to own a gun. That's unreal. If you had to have two references to vote people would be up in arms.
Yep. Believe it. Not 2 references to own a gun. 2 references just to get approved to get a permit to buy a gun. It's insanity.
Agreed the NRA needs to get back on track, Wayne LaPierre is much like a career politician another area where term limits should be applied.
Uhm, the GOA/SOF (whichever it is) suit is on a completely different aspect of MD gun law.
This is what we want out of our quiver of "rights" groups, we want them to hector every possible part of every one of these laws. There ought to be 4 or 5 lawsuits going on in all the problematic States.
In fairness, usually, the hard part is qualifying either a Class, or qualifying Damage. That's what caused the HI carry permit lawsuit to ping-pong endlessly. The Class was questioned because they could not find anyone objecting to the lack of permits (no one much bothered to apply, either). The Damage was questioned as the State claimed there was no evidence of "harm" as a result of not issuing a single permit. Ever. Ninth Circus was not as "pro" then as it is now. But, the original case is closed (and none of the representatives of the Class reside there anymore, IIRC).
The MD suit brought last year (which had a good thread here at THR) was based on MD requiring a "suitable reason" to issue a CHL. Then denying that any reason given was suitable. The legal logic was rather fascinating to see laid out.
NRA then sued NJ on similar grounds for the similar feature in their law (around July/August, IIRC).
I stuck by the NRA through a lot. I’ve defended them a ton. When the Parkland shooting happened I was super impressed by Dana Loesch attending the town hall... I mean ambush... in the aftermath. Since that time, I haven’t seen anything from the NRA but scandals. I’m done with them until there is a change of leadership.
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