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NS2000 legality

Discussion in 'Legal' started by servantofinari, Mar 6, 2009.

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  1. servantofinari

    servantofinari Member

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    Okay who here knows what a NeoStead NS2000 is? If you don’t it’s a shotgun, reverse pump action, bullpup, it is 27 inches long, has a 22inch barrel, holds 12 rounds, shoots 2 ¾” 12 gauge. Everything I have seen says they can’t be imported into the US, but other than the magazine size, what keeps it out of the country? Or am I wrong in thinking, for a shotgun, an overall length of 26 inches is the minimum size.
     
  2. rogertc1

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    I wouldn't buy it.
    Mosberg made a bullpup.
     
  3. TexasRifleman

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    "Sporting purposes" BS would be my guess.
     
  4. ManBearPig

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    I just googled it. It looks like something out of the Alien series. That thing would be worth it on looks alone.
     
  5. servantofinari

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    It really is a unique weapon, it pumps forward instead of back. Has its magazines above the barrel. Just a neat weapon.
     
  6. nalioth

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    Maybe they can license it to a US manufacturer.

    Win-Win for everyone.
     
  7. BTR

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    I saw one on a gun auction site years ago for sale- this was during the AW ban, and it was blocked to 10 rounds. I have no idea how it was imported.

    It looks really cool, though like someone said, is unimportable for regular joes, since the max mag capacity on imported shotguns is 5 rounds, I think.
     
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    Here is what I think I remember reading (if I get more time later I’ll try a Google search and see if any of this is correct) about the current law on importing firearms to the US:

    1. A private citizen cannot import a firearm, except certain curio and relic classified firearms manufactured before a certain date (sometime in the 1890s?)
    2. Firearms can be imported by companies that have the general business and import licenses, plus special paperwork from ATF. Fees for the above are in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.
    3. There are many restrictions and probations on the types of firearms that can be imported, including the probations on any weapon the Director of ATF finds to be “non-sporting, or not readily adaptable to sporting purposes.” (This may only apply to semi-autos, have to look this up.)

    So to import a NS2000 someone will have to invest a ton of hours filling out forms and filing application fees, for a weapon that may be banned from importation at the desecration of a politically appointed government bureaucrat. The ban can even be made AFTER you get import approval, as it was with the Street sweeper/striker shotguns in the 70s. All this for a product of unknown market in the US.

    A private citizen can, in most states, BUILD one of these for their own use, as long as they don’t sell it (don’t infringe on the international patent.) The next question, that I don’t know the answer to, can you have some of the non-firearm parts of a NS2000, like the shell and ammo feeding mechanism, shipped to your US address, so you can try to retrofit American made barrels, trigger groups, mag tubes, etc?
     
  9. Rmac58

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    Yeah, I just looked it up too, cool.
     
  10. MGshaggy

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    It can't be imported, and much like the USAS and Striker-12 (even if it could be produced domestically) would most likely be classified under the NFA as a destructive device.
     
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  12. MGshaggy

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    Because under the law, the Secretary of the Treasury has authority to declare anything with a .50 bore (or greater) a DD and subject to the NFA if they don't find it to be suitable for sporting purposes [see 26 USC 5845(f)(2)]. Case in point, the USAS and Striker-12 which were both reclassified as DDs by Lloyd Bentsen during the Clinton administration. Its only by luck that the Siaga-12 has not been reclassified - under Obama its quite likely they will soon be.
     
  13. ManBearPig

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    So if you already own a Saiga-12, what happens? You have to be able to keep it, because of ex post facto. So would you be able to avoid the usual process of NFA and just have to send in the serial number of your gun and that's it?
     
  14. MGshaggy

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    You'd have to register it on a form 1 but with an amnesty on the initial/making tax. If you live in a jurisdiction where it would be illegal to own or possess a DD you'd be out of luck, but could sell it to someone else to register so long as it was done within the required time frame. Under Bentsens reclassification, there was a 2 year period (IIRC) during which the weapons had to be registered - after that they were considered contraband.
     
  15. The Lone Haranguer

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    What is a "reverse pump action"? :confused:

    Never mind.
     
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  16. 4thPointOfContact

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    I would be all over a Neostead if one were imported or made domestically.

    Heck, I'd be all over a Monarch P-12 if it weren't "temporarily delayed due to political considerations".

    I'd provide a link to what a P-12 is, but the curious will find out for themselves and those who cant find out don't deserve to know.:neener:
     
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