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NY State Pistol Permit Proccess

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by PacketStorm, Sep 10, 2007.

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  1. PacketStorm

    PacketStorm Member

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    Well I have my CCW application put in with the state of NY and am now waiting for something/anything to happen. I grew up in Michigan and had quite a different process to go through in getting my permit. Basically I went into the police stations, filled out some forms and waited for my background check to clear. After a couple of weeks, I brought my pistol by and they gave me a permit for it.

    NY State has gotten quite out of hand. I complete finger prints on file, both hands + palms. I have filled out 6 pages of forms. Gathered 4 "witnesses" (residents of my town/county who will swear they know me and that I am a decent guy).

    I will also have to go before the county judge to explain why I need a permit that includes "personal defense". This judge generally issues permits with a big stamp of "Hunting and Target" so you would be in violation to carry your pistol out on a hiking trip into the Adirondack Mountains during a summer trip. Crazy thing is that the state law doesn't include this option in its wording. State law basically says that once you are issued a permit, it is valid throughout the state at any location not explicitly denied. If you do get stopped while carrying out of license, say at Boxmart, you haven't broken the law, just the judges order and he can take away your permit.

    If I didn't have family here, I would be out of this state. I've written our states elected senators (not "my" senators) and have of course gotten very helpful replies /insert sarcastic chuckle here/.

    What a mess. I just finished watching a video link from another post on the site - it was Ted Nugent talking about free men having the right to defend themselves and their family. So much for having those rights in NY.
     
  2. 30 cal slob

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    not valid in the five boroughs of NYC, fyi.

    good luck with the application.
     
  3. PacketStorm

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    NY City Nightmare

    Yeah. I would not want to think about going through NYC with the pistol. I've been looking for shops that do pistol training. Most of the good courses I've found are near NYC. If I do sign up for a tactical course, I will have to find out how to get through or around the city if need be.
     
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    PacketStorm, what county of NY are we talking about here ? Some counties are actually quite reasonable, while others... well not so much.
     
  5. CNYCacher

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    I also am curious which county you applied in. Here in Cayuga County, an unrestricted CCW is the norm.

    Here are some tips: Hound your 4 references and make sure that they mail those questionaires back. You may want to invite them all over for dinner or something and a little fill-out party. Make up some stamped envelopes for em too.

    Hound the police department you applied to, once they have the 4 references and the FBI check in-hand, they are supposed to forward the whole packet over to the judge. If they are missing one of the reference sheets, no one is going to call you and say, "Hey, we would really like to move ahead with this application, but we don't have everything."
     
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    Yes, that is the epitome of the "relatively simple and reasonable restrictions" we are fighting against.
     
  7. PacketStorm

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    Pistol Permit Proccess

    I'm in Erie county.
     
  8. MilsurpShooter

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    They do that in Erie? I thought it was a NYC and Westchester only thing. Man this state is really getting out of hand, I just hope the DC case will give us a foothold to start turning some of this stuff in our favor

    :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

    I feel for ya, I attempted to go through the process myself but decided to wait on it until I really find a handgun I want to buy and have some use for. Good luck with it
     
  9. perpster

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    PacketStorm, I am dreadfully sorry that no NY'ers bothered to tell you that the NYS Pistol Permit Proccess does not apply equally across the state. If you go to an urban area there is no permit proccess at all. Just look for a car with its trunk open in a "bad neighborhood" and you can avoid all the red tape. Almost everyone else does it, so why shouldn't you?
     
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    I agree with ya Packet...thats one reason I moved...to Texas...I am originally from Cattaraugus County (Western NY state). When I applied, it was all that you said, with the exception of going before a judge. I do recall writing my reasons for the permit as "target shooting" and "hunting", though, the selfdefense thing was more or less a given. I had to travel to the pistol permit clerk's office in a town about 30 minutes away (Little Valley). This is where the county court convenes. During my hour visit, I was fingerprinted half a dozen times, had my picture taken, and submitted the small stack of applications. I had my four "witnesses to my sanity" as it were :evil: . One was a former school principal, one was a reporter for a local newspaper, another was a county legislator, and the last was a coworker who happens to be a Board Certified psychiatrist and taught at University of Buffalo. I figured I would stack the references to my benefit after all!

    After all that, gave them my fees (which god help you if you don't use exactly what they tell you to)...and waited for 9 months before I got it. Hope you don't have as long to wait.
     
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    I live in Erie county also and find it rather amusing. I actually got my permit in the late 1980's and for some small time in that era, they didn't put any use at the top of a permit. I had my address updated on the permit a couple years ago, and they then added "hunting/ target" to the top of the permit. Somewhere back in my application it must have asked me what I intend to use the pistol for. Do you know if I can have this restriction removed?

    gotta love NY !!
     
  12. CountGlockula

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    It looks like you and me are in the same boat. I'm in CA.
     
  13. Carl N. Brown

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    Fordham Urban Law Journal, November, 1998, carried an article
    by Suzanne Novak whose title tells all:
    WHY THE NEW YORK STATE SYSTEM FOR OBTAINING A LICENSE TO
    CARRY A CONCEALED WEAPON IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL

    Basically, Novak's argument is that the Sullivan Act violates due
    process
    and equal rights. She doe not even get into any
    RKBA or Second Amendment issues.

    Discretionary permit laws, like the Sullivan Act, represent rule by
    whim of man, and not rule of law. If car license, pilot's license or
    ham radio license was administered like the NY pistol license,
    there would be no question that the discretionary licensing system
    is unconstitutional by any sense of due process or equal rights
    under law.
     
  14. romma

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    Just tell the authorities you were Hunting and Target Shooting Violent Criminals if you are caught anywhere... (Kidding)
     
  15. perpster

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    The Sullivan Act was passed in 1911 IIRC. I wonder if the 1911 had anything to do with that.
     
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    Yeah,the rules vary widely depending on county.I live in good one.Many of my shooting buddies don't.It is possible to get your "hunting and Target"restrictions off,again depending on who signs your permit and if they're pro or anti.Kind of sucks.In my area the pistol clerk pretty much runs the show(she's awesome)..but sometimes it's a judge,or sherrif and they can be easy or had to deal with.
     
  17. Carl N. Brown

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    Sounds as inconsistent as the old Virginia discretionary system,
    before they got "shall-issue."
     
  18. perpster

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    If NY didn't get gun-friendly with a Republican Governor (Pataki) and Republican Senate, it doesn't look too good with a Democrat Governor (Spitzer). Of course, there's also the biparty Republican nee Democrat Mayor of NYC who is leading the anti charge nationwide. A pretty bleak 2nd Amendment picture in NY.
     
  19. trickyasafox

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    yea we should start a NYS support group. i'm in Onondaga county.
     
  20. dhoomonyou

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    From a former New Yorker., ME

    maybe NY should consider all of the constitution NOT JUST the ones it likes.
     
  21. Prof. A. Wickwire

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    Dhoomonyou,

    I grew up in Manhattan and moved to the Albany area in 1987. One conclusion I came to after only cursory research is perhaps New York State should pay attention to it's own Civil Rights Laws.

    "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms cannot be infringed."

    New York State Civil Rights Law Article 2, Section 4

    How is a Civil Rights law not for the people?

    Sincerely,

    Prof. A. Wickwire
     
  22. dhoomonyou

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    PROFESSOR,
    thanks, thats why I moved to FLORIDA.
     
  23. MilsurpShooter

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    When it's inconvenient for the ruling class? :eek:
     
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    I have my permit through Onondaga countyas well, was a bit of a hassle, but they also did call me a couple of times to keep me updated, let me know that one of my references never sent the paperwork in and all that.

    However seeing how I may be moving to the Fredonia area when I return to the states, I'll probably have my permit transfered over as well.

    Took me 6 months to get mine, would have been one if my references had cooperated.

    Good luck my man.
     
  25. PacketStorm

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    You can. I've heard the following from differnet sources:

    The judge will often state the once you have had your permit for 3 years (without having any trouble with the law) then come back a re-apply.

    Others have said that once you have your permit, find a good atty who will fight the issue with the judge, just wait until after you already have it, or the judge will drag his/her feet and you won't see the permit for a few years of legal wrangling.

    Still others have said that if there is a good reason - like you get attacked while in town and your car window is smashed out/graffiti is put on your property (from gangs or such) then you can show there is a need for personal protection and you would most likely get the restriction removed.

    The audacity of the judges and the unlawful restrictions being put into effect really get to me. I found some posts online about Hon. Penny M. Wolfgang. This judge supposedly overturned the restrictions put on some licenses in Erie county upon appeal and ruled they were unconstitutional. Unfortunately I haven't been able to confirm this. I want to get my initial permit and then see how much I have to fight to get the full unrestricted license.
     
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