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NY to restrict Assault Weapons, Limit magazine size to 7 bullets

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by sharpshooter74, Jan 14, 2013.

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  1. sharpshooter74

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    Isnt that the point?
     
  3. 481

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    That would seem to be the point- if not an outright ban, perhaps an effective ban through some other means.
     
  4. Texan Scott

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    Yes...who says that's not the point?

    Time for backstaters to consider voting with their feet? There's still plenty of room in Texas.
     
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    Still would not have prevented last summers shooting outside the Empire State Building.

    Expect a rush on 1911's in New York.
     
  6. Apachedriver

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    Guess everyone will HAVE to carry 1911s in .45 with the original 7 round mags.

    Beat me to it USAF_Vet, but I like how you think.
     
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    Plenty of room here in Tennessee also, bring the good food but leave your (their) ideas on gun control behind.

    Looks like there is going to be a run on mouse guns until they put minimum limits on gun size.

    Jim
     
  8. pty101

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    This is ridiculous and it make me glad I dont live in NY. :banghead: Any word if there will be any grandfathering? I havent seen anything saying there isn't... yet.
    I'm not an attorney so I maybe wrong on this, but would Heller give a good opportunity since this basically outlaws the majority of handguns as well as standard mags?
     
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    Drop it to 7, so magazine manufacturers have a new product to make, since the 10 rounders, out for years, are no longer good. Restrict rights and stimulate business, what a win for leftists...:banghead:
    I agree, lots of room in Constitutional Carry Arizona.
     
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    Of course, there has been other legislation introduced, like H.R. 142 which seeks Federal limitations on the purchase of ammunition both online and in person-

    The 'Stop Online Ammunition Sales Act of 2013'

    SEC. 2. LIMITATIONS ON PURCHASES OF AMMUNITION.

    (a) Licensing of Ammunition Dealers-

    (1) IN GENERAL- Section 923(a) of title 18, United States Code, is amended in the matter preceding paragraph (1), in the first sentence, by striking `, or importing or manufacturing' and inserting `or'.

    (2) CONFORMING AMENDMENT- Section 921(a)(11)(A) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting `or ammunition' after `firearms'.

    (b) Requirement for Face to Face Sales of and Licensing To Sell Ammunition- Section 922 of such title is amended--

    (1) in subsection (a)(1)--

    (A) by striking `for any person--' and all that follows through `(A) except' and inserting `(A) for any person except'; and

    (B) by striking subparagraph (B) and inserting the following:

    `(B) for--

    `(i) any person except a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer, to--

    `(I) sell ammunition, except that this subclause shall not apply to a sale of ammunition by a person to a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer; or

    `(II) engage in the business of importing or manufacturing ammunition, or in the course of such business, to ship, transport, or receive any ammunition; or

    `(ii) a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer to transfer ammunition to a person unless the licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer has verified the identity of the transferee by examining a valid identification document (as defined in section 1028(d) of this title) of the transferee containing a photograph of the transferee; and

    (2) in subsection (b)(5), by striking `or armor-piercing'.

    (c) Limit on Shipping and Transporting of Ammunition- Section 922(a)(2) of such title is amended--

    (1) in the matter preceding subparagraph (A), by inserting `, or to ship or transport any ammunition,' after `any firearm'; and

    (2) in subparagraph (B), by inserting `or ammunition' after `a firearm'.

    (d) Recordkeeping Regarding Ammunition-

    (1) IN GENERAL- Section 923(g) of such title is amended--

    (A) in paragraph (1)(A)--

    (i) in the first sentence, by inserting `or ammunition' after `other disposition of firearms'; and

    (ii) in the third sentence, by striking `, or any licensed importer or manufacturer of ammunition,' and inserting `, or any licensed importer, manufacturer, or dealer of ammunition,'; and

    (B) in paragraph (3), by adding at the end the following:

    `(C) Each licensee shall prepare a report of multiple sales or other dispositions whenever the licensee sells or otherwise disposes of, at one time or during any 5 consecutive business days, more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition to an unlicensed person. The report shall be prepared on a form specified by the Attorney General and forwarded to the office specified thereon and to the department of State police or State law enforcement agency of the State or local law enforcement agency of the local jurisdiction in which the sale or other disposition took place, not later than the close of business on the day that the multiple sale or other disposition occurs.'.

    (2) CONFORMING AMENDMENT- Section 4182(d) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (relating to exemptions relating to firearms) is amended by inserting `and except as provided in paragraph (1)(A) and (3)(C) of section 923(g) of title 18, United States Code,' before `no person holding a Federal license'.


    The anti-gun mob sees this as a prime opportunity to make a full press against our Second Amendment rights. Simply put, they've declared "all out war" on us.
     
  11. sidheshooter

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    Absurd.


    Anyone for an S&W 627 8-shot .357 revolver?
     
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    Actually a lot of semi-autos popular for carry wouldn't be affected, such as the pocket 9s and .380s.
     
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    Wow...

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    Oh well, seven rounds would be equal to seven dead robbers. No more double tap .
     
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    Statistics suggest you may not even kill one, and likely incapacitate maybe 2.

    This is a problem, not that New York is a good situation for a self-defense shoot anyways...
     
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    How would 7 round magazines "ban" a hand gun? Might make it less useful.

    I would rather shoot a full size semi-auto rather than a compact. Compacts or pocket guns are easier to carry due to their smaller size. I carry a pocket gun now because of its size, not necessarily its effectiveness. If I carried a full size semi-auto, it would be an M1911 anyway.

    I wonder if eight round speed loaders or moon clips will be included in the 7 round magazine limit.
     
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    I think a lawsuit will be in order to challenge that. As others have noted, this is functionally very similar to simply banning many types of handguns. It obviously differs in some important respects and does fall short of an outright ban, even on models that can hold more than 7 rounds currently. I think there are some pretty obvious arguments about why it is constitutionally suspect. Unless we lose a justice and Obama gets another appointment (God help us all, and not just on gun rights, if that happens) on the SCOTUS I could easily see a seven, ten, or whatever mag limit being struck under substantially similar logic to Heller. Banning weapons of more than 7, 10, or whatever mag capacity, which is functionally what a mag ban does, is banning a class of weapons fit for militia service, that is owned for legal purposes, and which are in common use.

    Sadly there is probably going to have to be a fair amount of litigation to preserve peoples rights. Particularly those living in blue states. You know what they say. People get the government they deserve.
     
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    so would a revolver be classified as a semi-auto? fires with each pull of the trigger.
     
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    Prediction: This legislation will cause more bloodshed than all those released dangerous convicted violent felons cause with the guns they can't get now - can't get by the law, that is!

    Wait and see.

    Woody
     
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    Be careful what you wish for...they elected the mess in their backyard. This is all about elections and their consequences.

    Guess if you have an 8 shot revolver, you will have to get one chambered permanently plugged.
     
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    I wonder when the NY legislature will realize that eventually everyone will leave NY for some state where it is still possible to enjoy a modicum of freedom. Maybe they realize it now and they plan to simply suck the entire state budget from those in NYC who actually seem to like this crap. That would theoretically create the little Marxist utopia they have in mind.
     
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    The slippery slope theory goes into effect here.

    First limit people to only 10 round mags. Then 7 round mags. Then limit it some more to 5 round mags. Then in the future, people would only be allowed to carry 2 round derringers.

    And then maybe in the year 2050, New Yorkers will be only limited to black powder muskets and bb guns for self-defense.
     
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    I think muskets and bb guns are already illegal. However, by 2050 New Yorkers will only be allowed shot glass sized soft drinks.
     
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    erm... revolvers kinda sorta maybe don't have magazines. This is a magazine capacity ban, not a cylinder capacity ban.

    The anti crowd does not seem to be attacking revolvers and other "manually operated" firearms yet. They are still going for the low-lying fruit.

    Once they are done with semi-auto, they just have to wait for someone to shoot a kid with a pump shotgun or levergun or revolver. Then the whole mess starts over again.
     
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    I'm sure all the gang bangers and thugs will quickly turn in all of their 8+ round weapons. :rolleyes:

    Once again NY tries to disarm the good guys.
     
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