NYC gun collector arrested

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STATEN ISLAND, N.Y. –– Police pulled an arsenal of 80 handguns and rifles, a pair of stun guns and combat knives from a Westerleigh home yesterday morning, authorities said.

The most menacing of the weapons, a black pump-action shotgun with a pistol grip, was next to Gary Granato's bed, while the rest of the weapons were scattered throughout his home at 864 Jewett Ave., according to police who made the noon raid.

Granato, 54, apparently is a collector and bought many of the guns, some of them antiques dating to the early 1900s, at the Web site auctionarms.com. There's no indication that any of the seized weapons were used in a crime, police said.

"Some of these are old, but everything on that table will take a cartridge and will readily take a shot," said Police Lt. Matthew Davis of the Firearms Suppression Division. "These could all be recovered on the street, in any precinct in the city."

Granato did not have a permit for any of the 77 handguns and three rifles and shotguns taken by police yesterday, although he had applied for permits twice in the past and been denied for reasons that were not immediately available, police said.

Some of the weapons would seem to be more at home in the Old West than Staten Island, including a "pepperbox"-style revolver with rotating barrels, several single-shot derringers and blackpowder pistols. Also recovered were automatics as well as two stun guns, three switchblades and two gravity knives, and large metal ammo boxes packed with rounds.

The find startled neighbors of the divided home near Crowell Avenue and across the street from the Engine 163/Ladder 83 firehouse. They reported rarely seeing any foot traffic at the secluded property, which is ringed by a chain-link fence and high plantings.

"Very quiet. You don't even see people at this house," said Paula Carotenuto, who walks her dog by the home every day. "This is just the oddest thing."

Police began investigating Granato in mid-January, and subpoenaed records from the Web site –– sort of an eBay for guns –– which led to the search warrant executed yesterday, police said.

Granato last night was still being booked on what is so far a single count of criminal possession of a weapon, although more charges could come from the prosecutors. His only prior arrest was a petit larceny case from 1972. As of yesterday evening, Granato had made no statements to investigators. No one answered the phone at his home.

Phil Helsel is a news reporter for the Advance. He may be reached at [email protected].
 
Well, we can learn several things from this story. First and foremost, if you ignore the laws of your local jurisdiction, you will be arrested and the newspaper will try to make you look like a monster.

Second, if you are the black helicopter and tinfoil hat type, the "private sales" you make on websites are easier to track then FFL purchases.

Third, the media attack on private sales is ramping up. Look for auction arms and gunbroker to be labeled as arms bazaars where nutjobs can buy whatever they want with no regulation.
 
He should of lived in Indiana, would make for a cool nieghbor...I won't be moving to N.Y. thats for sure, but he
took the chance that this could of happened without the permits that were required....does the drug running cartels have to have those permits too?
 
His dumbest mistake, as I can see, is continuing to live in a prison state like NY...

I fail to see that he did anything illegal if he lived in a free state like KY or TN or 40 others....

But because of a 'registration' law in NY, he will likely become a felon, serve time, and never be able to own a gun anywhere.

This is the sad face of silly patchworks of laws that are not based in substance but arbitrary opinions...
 
Believe me, this is the most pro-gun article I've read on this case. NY Daily News qouted a police officer saying that "these types of guns are very commonly recovered". What a bunch of baloney! I highly doubt that muzzleloading derringers and pepperboxes are the preferred weapons of choice of NYC's street gangs. The media hype is incredible. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Secondly, I find auctionarms' conduct appauling in this case. They could have denied NYPD access to this guy's private files. But they chose to comply and betray their customer. What next - are they going to turn the records over to the feds to reveal who bought an AR through their service? This may pave ground to confiscations. I wouldn't use that site.

I hope the collector will use Heller as his defense and challenge NYC's unconstitutional gun laws.

Wish him luck!
 
Simple solution:

Don't live in New York, New Jersey, Illinois, California or any other loathesome craphole that expects you to be a victim of violent crime.

These places aren't North Korea. You CAN leave.
 
Police began investigating Granato in mid-January, and subpoenaed records from the Web site

Auctionarms.com didn't have a choice. In a city or state such as New York I suspect they could probably subpoena the records, including #4473 forms from a dealer, although there might be a fight over the issue.

I feel sorry for those that live in places like New York (state and city) or California, but they are the ones who decide where they will live, not I.
 
Simple solution:

Don't live in New York, New Jersey, Illinois, California or any other loathesome craphole that expects you to be a victim of violent crime.

These places aren't North Korea. You CAN leave


I'm sure someone is going to leave their job just to move to a state where gun ownership is better. :rolleyes: mmmm, let me think about that....
 
I'm sure someone is going to leave their job just to move to a state where gun ownership is better. mmmm, let me think about that....

When I was younger I didn’t think for long, and I did move.

In my experience when a state (or city for that matter) has repressive gun laws they also will have a leftist government with a Socialist perspective. Thus you can expect high taxes, and a system that insures that no matter what you want to do, or what the circumstances are, they’re will be a bliss-nanny agency with the authority and regulations to direct you, even if you don’t want or need their input or directing.

Frankly, while this sort of lifestyle may be fine for welfare recipients it doesn’t represent the kind of place where I would want to live. If you think that moving from one state to another imposes a hardship, how about our parents, grand-parents, and great-grandparents that immigrated from another country, purely for the purpose of finding freedom and a new life that that it offered.

Not everyone can up and move, even if they might want to. But anyone can be on the alert for an opportunity, and keep actively looking.
 
I moved to a pro-gun state and accepted a considerable decrease in income, which I have not missed in the slightest.

Worst part of this story is those fine antique arms will be destroyed.
 
Worst part of this story is those fine antique arms will be destroyed.

Which is yet another reason I wouldn't so much as leave a footprint in so worthless a place as Stanten Island, or anywhere else in New York. :cuss: :mad: :cuss:
 
If you think that moving from one state to another imposes a hardship, how about our parents, grand-parents, and great-grandparents that immigrated from another country, purely for the purpose of finding freedom and a new life that that it offered.

they basically left their material belongings and came here, I doubt anyone would leave their belongings and just pick up and move. Well, if you are single and living in an apartment, it's easy but for a family with a mortgage, quite hard.
 
sernv99: "they basically left their material belongings and came here, I doubt anyone would leave their belongings and just pick up and move. Well, if you are single and living in an apartment, it's easy but for a family with a mortage, quite hard."

Well, TODAY that might be a little complicated. A year ago, it was not. I've bought and sold houses at the doublequick. And besides, you can rent out your old house and rent an apartment while you work through all the transactions, even today. Where there's a will, there's a way. Most lack will, not way.
 
It sounds like he has lived there quite a long time. Possibly before these laws were as they are. I think this is a travesty of justice that we all ought to stand up and fight against. The only thing he did was to have the same guns that I have in fewer number.

Are we not in the same country? Personally we ought to raise the roof on this one. Unless he is a criminal, by some reasonable definition, we ought to be saying this stops here and now.

Essentially we have the government doing research on people to find out who has what guns and then taking them. How far are we from this happening elsewhere? Everywhere? Is this practice okay with anyone on here?
 
It's NOT OK, Wyo, but I'm one little lawyer and I'm not even admitted in New York State. I can't fight all those antis. But I can help keep my own state from going that way, and I can encourage free-thinking men to leave the prison states for the free states (or at least the comparatively free states).
 
Well, here it is. I went to my safe and found this man's most menacing weapon. According to the article:
The most menacing of the weapons, a black pump-action shotgun with a pistol grip, was next to Gary Granato's bed
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That's a very appropriate place for this gun.

This has me more than a little excited. If the man had even done something else wrong I might be able to sleep a little better. But this is right out of a 70's science fiction novel where the government has a camera in everyone's house and on every street. I think this is scary folks.


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The most menacing of the weapons, a black pump-action shotgun with a pistol grip---Oh my!!! Bet the neighbors just pissed themselves and fainted when they saw that mean evil piece.

his home at 864 Jewett Ave---that's just wrong--now his home will be targeted while he's in jail fighting for his rights---and will be targeted in the future because criminals will think he has guns there-----he should have moved before---now he'll have to move anyway.

Firearms Suppression Division----what??? huh???---more like Constitutional Rights Suppression Division-----what's worse is that tax dollars are paying for this garbage.
 
Most of the gun laws in New York have been around since the late 1800's, although they were (and are) updated.

While I feel sorry fot those that are trapped in New York or similar political environment, there isn't much I can do about it from Arizona. The elite that runs New York doesn't have the slightest care about what my opinion is, and like California there aren't enough good people in New York to change things.
 
Well, TODAY that might be a little complicated. A year ago, it was not. I've bought and sold houses at the doublequick. And besides, you can rent out your old house and rent an apartment while you work through all the transactions, even today. Where there's a will, there's a way. Most lack will, not way.

been there, done that, being a "landlord" is not as easy as it seems on paper. Dealing with problem renters, being self-reliant on yourself to do the repairs rather than contract it out, etc. Not everyone wants to deal with being a "landlord" aside from their regular M-F job.
 
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