NYPD buys .50 cal Barretts

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NYPD ADDS TOP GUN TO ANTI-TERROR FIGHT

By MURRAY WEISS Criminal Justice Editor
The New York Post

August 26, 2005 -- The NYPD has added two of the military's most powerful sniper rifles to its arsenal in a bid to stop terrorists from using boats or small aircraft to attack the city, sources told The Post yesterday.

The .50-caliber rifles — each selling for $10,000 and using 6-inch bullets that cost $4 a pop — were bought several weeks ago after months of tactical wrangling by Commissioner Ray Kelly and his top brass over whether the controversial weapon was needed in the Big Apple.

The rifles can be fired from a police helicopter and pierce the hull of a boat to stop it from a distance of 1,000 yards, sources said.

Sources said Kelly — who recently appeared on a CBS "60 Minutes" segment that was critical of the sale of the weapon to the public — was initially reluctant to obtain the 37-pound, 5-foot-long guns for the NYPD.

But he gave the green light, sources say, after several of his counterterrorism and special-operations personnel laid out scenarios in which the armor-piercing rifle could help stop terrorists in boats or planes.
Mayor Bloomberg yesterday said the purchase was yet another "sad" reality in post-9/11 New York.

"We have bought a lot of equipment since 9/11 that we would not have thought about buying before 9/11," Bloomberg said.

"It's sad we live in a world where you have to think about having other kinds of armaments," the mayor continued. "It would be better if we could spend our money on more schools but, unfortunately, we know we live in a dangerous world."

Several states are trying to ban the sale of the weapons to gun-lovers who use them for target practice.

The NYPD weapons will be kept virtually under lock and key, but will be quickly dispatched in the event of an emergency.

The weapon has a bipod to hold up its 3-foot-long muzzle and a sharpshooter lies prone to fire it.

Experts say the kick is immense — any cop firing it more than a few times would suffer a bruised shoulder.

A police spokesman declined comment on the purchase of the weapons, which was first reported on CBS/Channel 2 news.

But Kelly, on "60 Minutes" last May, had cops demonstrate how the .50-caliber gun could hit a target at 1,000 yards and pierce a half-inch steel plate that .30-caliber rifles could only dent.

"It is clearly a weapon of war, a round to be used in a wartime situation," Kelly said at the time. "It's appropriate for the military. Clearly, it is a very powerful weapon."
 
Looks the NYPD uses Violence Policy Center propaganda as a buying guide. Since when will a single 50BMG bullet stop a boat, or plane, for that matter?

Edited to add: I remember when the New Carissa ran aground off the Oregon Coast a few years back. The efforts to tow it out to sea quickly devolved into a comedy of errors as a special cable flown in from Holland snapped and the ship broke in two. Eventually, the Navy got the biggest chunk of the ship into open water and attempted to scuttle it. Though missing its entire stern, that floating hunk of scrap absorbed explosives charges, cannon fire, and finally a torpedo (!) before it sank. Oh well, maybe the NYPD knows better.
 
That's hysterical!

Sounds like those guys spend more time in the movies than actually trying to hit moving targets from moving platforms.
 
The rifles can be fired from a police helicopter and pierce the hull of a boat to stop it from a distance of 1,000 yards, sources said.

Now that absolutely amazing, I wish I could shoot that well. :D
 
They would do better getting the full blown machine gun. Then at least the cops could have fun shooting it. :)
 
I saw a TV program about apprehending drug boats by shooting the engines with a 50 !!!This from a helicopter.
 
So did they buy them directly from Barrett? Or from a third party supplier.

I just wonder if Ronnie Barrett would have sold them the rifles if they came directly to him.
 
I'm glad they bought them, because now when they ban us regular types from having them, ronnie can tell them to service them themselves... :evil: :neener: (there's been a big push on lately in NY to ban these evile devices from use by us regular ol people)
 
The .50-caliber rifles — each selling for $10,000 and using 6-inch bullets that cost $4 a pop — were bought several weeks ago after months of tactical wrangling by Commissioner Ray Kelly and his top brass over whether the controversial weapon was needed in the Big Apple.
I wonder what kind of twist rate is required to stabilize a six inch long .50 caliber bullet?

Pilgrim
 
I'd think in a moving chopper a dillon aero mini gun or an old fashioned M2 would be a better choice than a M117.
 
So did they buy them directly from Barrett? Or from a third party supplier.

I wonder the same. Ronnie Barrett has a well-deserved reputation as a supporter of the Second Amendment. Given his public refusal to supply or service weapons for the LAPD because of their demonizing of his product and their support for gun control, I have a hard time believing he would willingly supply firearms to others doing the same thing. I think a letter to the NYPD is in order as well, but that is ultimately a decision for Barrett to make.
 
IF the $10,000 price per is accurate, THEN they certainly are buying them from a 3rd party- making a 50% gun whore mark up :fire: Ronnie Barrret is one of the FEW men alive where his honor is above financial value! ;)
 
Barrett still has final say on which guns he services. Even if some unscrupulous dealer is selling them to the NY Dept of Jackboots.
 
6 inch bullets!! That is light cruiser class weapondry, and yes they WILL stop a small boat at 1000++ yards.
 
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Concerning the infamous "six inch bullet" I believe that Mr. Weiss has his terminology mixed up. He was probably describing the overall length of the cartridge rather than the bullet itself and calling the round a "bullet." I have heard several non-gun types make this mistake. As subtle as it is, it drives me nuts. Maybe I am more sensitive to semantics than most people but it does let me know what their level of attention is to detail. Just like Kerry and his "rifle" he used for duck hunting.
 
The US Coast Guard has been using a .50 from a "helo" to disable the high speed drug running boats. I think they fire a few bursts with a machine gun, across the bow, to get them to stop. If that doesn't work, it's time for the .50 to go after the engines. The engines sometimes just die, the boats sometimes just sink, and there have been some set on fire. So sorry.

NYPD will have a different goal. The sinking will be primary. Doesn't the Army have any old Huey Cobras that they can transfer to police, like the Huey transports have been?

Bart Noir
 
I'm not saying you could hit a boat from a helicopter at 1000 yards, but depending on the size and type of the boat, if you hit it, I'm willing to bet it would stop.

I doubt seriously that you could sink an 18-28 ft. power boat, as they have tons of floatation, but I bet you could stop it. I've seen too many guys leave their plugs out (a hole slightly smaller than a .50 would make) and make it about 65 yards from the dock before there was enough water in the boat to kill an inboard engine.
 
yes they WILL stop a small boat at 1000++ yards

No doubt it's "possible".

But will somebody with more experience than I tell me how probable it is that a shooter on a moving helicopter will get a perfect shot on a powerboat moving at 40mph or more? With changing wind dynamics, speed (of both the chopper and boat), direction of the boat (affected by wave height and direction, speed and operator skill)?

Aren't these bolt action rifles? How many shots could be taken accurately under these conditions?

I'd LOVE to see somebody make that shot.....in a peaceful demonstration of course. :cool:
 
Concerning the infamous "six inch bullet" I believe that Mr. Weiss has his terminology mixed up. He was probably describing the overall length of the cartridge rather than the bullet itself and calling the round a "bullet." I have heard several non-gun types make this mistake. As subtle as it is, it drives me nuts. Maybe I am more sensitive to semantics than most people but it does let me know what their level of attention is to detail. Just like Kerry and his "rifle" he used for duck hunting.

Don't state the obvious. You are trying to ruin our fun! :)
 
I'm for spraying the pilot of the boat with an automatic instead. Kill the pilot and the boat will stop eventually, plus is would be much cheaper and fun for the shooter...who's with me?
 
the armor-piercing rifle

WOW! Those .50's are dangerous. I thought only the round would pierce armor, but the rifle too??!!!??!!! That's crazy!

"It's sad we live in a world where you have to think about having other kinds of armaments,"

The rifle employs a centerfire cartridge like every firearm in service with the NYPD. How does it qualify as "other kinds of armaments"??? :confused:

The NYPD weapons will be kept virtually under lock and key

Would it not be a better idea to keep the weapons under actual lock and key rather than virtual lock and key?????

"It is clearly a weapon of war, a round to be used in a wartime situation,"

In case he hasn't noticed this IS a wartime situation.
 
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