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NYPD seeks way to let guns 'talk' to one another ...

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Foofles, Jun 5, 2009.

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  1. Foofles

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    Well, there's an interesting thought. Here's one article about it: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090605/ap_on_re_us/us_cop_shoots_cop

    What do you guys think? I have mixed feelings. Partly intrigued and can see the usefulness, partly thinking this isn't enough to help, and partially scared for how the technology could be used in the wrong hands.
     
  2. Oyeboten

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    NYC Police should only have open-carry Batons, on a teather, no 'guns'...it'd cut down on their screw ups far better than infra red or wireless sensors.

    It's already illegal for criminals, and virtually all honest people, and anyone else, to have guns in NYC, so, I
    I'd say the Police should adopt and follow and demonstrate the same no-guns example also.
     
  3. christcorp

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    That is totally the STUPIDEST Idea I have ever heard of when it comes to guns. The morons who think this crap up is usually some old fart who barely knows how to use email. Or they are someone that has been sold some brainstorm idea from a salesman just trying to make a buck. If it's technology, it CAN AND WILL be hacked. Hell, get the codes; set up a small transceiver; and NO POLICE BULLET CAN SHOOT YOU. In the techno world; which I've been in for more than 30 years as a job, they saying is: "If you build it, they WILL hack it". Same theory with mechanics on a weapon or anything else. Mechanical things WILL break or fail. It's just a matter of when.
     
  4. CoRoMo

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    So... before the LEO can react to the situation he has responded to, he needs to then check on a new fangled techno doodad that he's been issued?

    Nope.
     
  5. Old Fuff

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    Best idea I've seen in a long time. They could be just like their counterparts in England. :evil:
     
  6. ants

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    Let's wake up, friends. It's a ploy.

    They float a completely ridiculous idea on purpose, knowing it will be shot down as completely infeasible.

    Which leaves them with only one conclusion after exhausting all other possibilities:
    They must disarm all citizens completely. Make all guns illegal in NYC. It's the only way. Sorry, the Mayor will tell his people, but we have no other choice.
     
  7. Foofles

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    Yeah I concur with christcorp and coromo - Firstly yep it'd mean a criminal could have a haven from police, and on the other hand he'd definitely know when a cop was packing, say eg. a sting operation.

    And it just seems to put responsibility on tools instead of people, they should be training to communicate effectively to elliminate friendly fire.

    It seems totally detrimental to the police's needs.. because, yeah, he'd need to check that gizmo wasting precious time he should be spending shooting the bad guy. And what if it beeps, giving away his position? That'd be great for a hostage situation.

    And here's where my imagination takes me - what if NYC decides that this should go on ALL guns, for citizens too. So they can track all guns and gun owners no matter where they are? scary.

    I do acknowledge the usefulness of some kind of modern organization, but all patrol cars have computers and all officers have radios and badges, I think they're good there they just need the right training.
     
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    Lets be sensible. With over 35,000 police officers in NYC, accidents will happen. It's not the first time and it won't be the last. I'm sure the officer who shot and killed one of his brothers officers wishes he could turn the clock back. He, and the families involved, will have to live with this terrible tragedy until they take it to the grave. My prayers go out to all of them.
     
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    "...adapting futuristic technology..." Technology that doesn't exist any more than the technology to put a S/N on a bullet.
     
  10. vett3v

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    Methinks they have watched Judge Dredd too many times.. :)
     
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    Like they can't identify the guy wearing all blue standing a couple yards away from them... UGH!!!
     
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    yet again good reason why i never say 'now i have heard it all'

    hard to imagine such a stupid and dangerous [ using a nonexistent technology] idea such as this can even be verbalized.

    committee is probably being formed as we talk
     
  13. skeet king

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    Hey clay I love your tag at the bottom about fire lol
     
  14. Foofles

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    I think the whole spiel started because the other guy was wearing plain clothes... but in any case, NY never ceases to amaze me.
     
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    Yeah. He was off-duty, not in uniform.



    It sounds like he didn't do what he should have (which is whatever the uniformed officer said, drop the gun, hands in the air, whatever) and got shot for it.

    Very sad.


    This whole space age gun is all crap and hasn't even been invented or close to it yet. They know that.

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    Hmmmmm. So if I'm in a bad way and need to stick up a liquor store, bowling alley, or bar, it would be best to find one that's full of cops, since they couldn't shoot my ass because it's full of potential friendly-fire, radio tagged, issue sidearms? What a great idea!!! They all look at me with that stupid freaking "Duh, maybe this wasn't such a great idea Bloomberg" as I either walk away, or start shooting them on the way out since I don't want to leave a bunch of LEO's for witness'. ***:banghead:???? Who thinks up this crap?
     
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    Perhaps I read more into the techno-speak than I should have. I thought I read something about the firearm not-firing if it sensed another nearby. My bad, I need another drink :evil: The idea is still crappy. Undercover, narc unit, tactical entry, none of these sound good for a gun beeping or light going off at a rather in-opportune time, if you know what I mean.
     
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    Pure junk science, but perhaps the only solution to the incredibly large number of Officers in NYC and the almost certainty that an armed individual is always another LEO or a criminal....

    It would probably be simpler and safer (statistically, at least) to disarm the plainclothes and off-duty Officers, as well as any non-LE licensees. That way it is either a uniformed Officer or a criminal....

    'Course that won't work either, but it'd be a hell of a lot cheaper.... :evil:

    (And you thought micro-stamping was stupid? :barf: )

    Regards,
     
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    I guess it is a little too much to ask New York's finest to learn to identify their target before shooting...
     
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    so let me see if i understand.


    ny wants to make sure no police officer shoots another police officer. they want something in the gun that keeps it from firing if there are other police guns around. so i guess if there are multiple responding officers none of their guns should work. if only the first gun drawn works,i hope that officer does not drop it or become incapacitated.

    maybe they should have to radio in to have their guns activated.

    no,i don't think i understand.
     
  21. TOTC

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    I'm not a chairborne commando, but I play one on the internet...

    room full of undercover police and bad guys in a mexican standoff.

    guns start flashing, beeping, screaming "i'm a cop!!"

    Cop muzzles cover bad guys,(He's somehow gotten ahold of a police issue weapon or hacked the system to keep himself from being shot.) OK, so he's not exactly stupid as a criminal gun says nope, he's a cop. I won't let you shoot"

    But he's a bad guy. Oh , and by the way, there's a fed in the mix whose agency elected not to employ this technology. (He's undercover as one of the bad guys.)

    The end result was a majority of the bad guys dead, a cop dead, and the undercover fed was wounded due to the environment.

    The maker of the technology applauds that the system 'worked' as described yet innocent people are still dead.
     
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    They come up with all this nonsense because they just can't admit to the fact that their officers probably need better training, or even worse, that some are the type of moron that shouldn't be trusted with a firearm...

    "Oh no, it's not our fine officer's fault, it's the stupid gun that doesn't tell the difference between a good guy and a bad guy!"
     
  23. rmmoore

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    Head is a bit clearer this morning:D If we, as members of the general public, don't CLEARLY identify the bad guy before we defend ourselves, we are SCREWED, big time. And sometimes even if it is clearly, undeniably, self defense, we still are ruined financially and our reputation destroyed for killing the "innocent, non-threatening" attempted murderer or rapist. Soooooo, why should NYPD be treated any different? I realize they have a lot more day-to-day dealings with the low life, so what. They supposedly have more training, and are so good at what they do. I'm saddened at any loss of life, and the lives shattered after a meaningless death, but that doesn't change the fact that the LEO failed to clearly identify his target and determine the lethal threat as required by law (even to him), prior to using deadly force. Period, end of discussion.

    This is no different than one of us killing someone who was begging for money in the park and we killed him thinking he was trying to rob us. I realize that it's not exactly the same circumstances, but the legal principles regarding the use of deadly force still apply; i.e establishing the level of threat and subsequent responding force, as well as ensuring you ONLY shoot the threatening person. "But he THOUGHT the cop was a bad guy, and was defending himself". Ahhhh, have we EVER heard that before applied to one of us? I have, and it ended with the shooter in prison for involuntary manslaughter because he DID NOT IDENTIFY the target as a clear threat, even though he was acting in "self defense".

    I believe in giving cops the benefit of a doubt, and maybe more "fudge factor" than civilians for SOME things. I'm fairly certain there are facts we don't have, and therefore I'll reserve "final judgement" for someone who HAS all the facts.
     
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    Oh yeah, no matter what the outcome of the particular LEO's case, the techno solution offered is STILL a totally screwed-up idea!!!!!!
     
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    It was not well received by the rank and file of the NYPD.
     
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