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Obama Claims He Supports Individual Gun Rights

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by The Sheriff, Feb 15, 2008.

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  1. The Sheriff

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    http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5isOFwdbq0tsqatW6vJpkDRTI1gMgD8UQTAS80

    Obama Supports Individual Gun Rights
    By NEDRA PICKLER – 1 hour ago

    MILWAUKEE (AP) — Barack Obama said Friday that the country must do "whatever it takes" to eradicate gun violence following a campus shooting in his home state, but he believes in an individual's right to bear arms.

    Obama said he spoke to Northern Illinois University's president Friday morning by phone and offered whatever help his Senate office could provide in the investigation and improving campus security. The Democratic presidential candidate spoke about the Illinois shooting to reporters while campaigning in neighboring Wisconsin.

    The senator, a former constitutional law instructor, said some scholars argue the Second Amendment to the Constitution guarantees gun ownerships only to militias, but he believes it grants individual gun rights.

    "I think there is an individual right to bear arms, but it's subject to commonsense regulation" like background checks, he said during a news conference.

    He said he would support federal legislation based on a California law that would facilitate immediate tracing of bullets used in a crime. He said even though the California law was passed over the strong objection of the National Rifle Association, he thinks it's the type of law that gun owners and crime victims can get behind.

    Five people, including the shooter, were killed during Thursday's ambush inside a lecture hall. Authorities said the two guns used were purchased legally less then a week ago.

    "Today we offer them our thoughts and prayers, but we also have to offer them our determination to do whatever it takes to eradicate this violence from our streets, from our schools, from our neighborhoods and our cities," Obama said. "That is our duty as Americans."

    Although Obama supports gun control, while campaigning in gun-friendly Idaho earlier this month, he said he does not intend to take away people's guns.

    At his news conference, he voiced support for the District of Columbia's ban on handguns, which is scheduled to be heard by the Supreme Court next month.

    "The notion that somehow local jurisdictions can't initiate gun safety laws to deal with gang bangers and random shootings on the street isn't born out by our Constitution," Obama said.

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  2. BattleChimp Potemkin

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    Yeah, it made me heave too! The article seemed like, "hey, this guys isnt THAT bad!" Until you got to the end.
     
  3. mordechaianiliewicz

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    Obama is our enemy on this issue. All there is to it.

    He has said multiple times he would like the ban ALL semi-autos (yes, all however many million weapons out there). He has supported every gun control bill presented to him, every chance he got.

    He also is a big fan of international control of guns.

    Don't think of being fooled. He's a gun grabber.
     
  4. physics

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    He also wants Ex-leo and military to be the only ones with concealed carry rights.
     
  5. BattleChimp Potemkin

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    Well, when I first read the article, I thought, well, he's racing back from the extreme left to the center to win votes, but I then read his past voting history (the boring stuff you find on the congressional website, I only get my info from direct source, not biased media). Yuck! But, I do dream of a day when six shooters are the only guns and a time when cattledrives roamed the plains...Romantic Garbage...Why cant things be simpler?
     
  6. Slappy McGee

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    I don't understand how a CA law that allows "immediate tracing of bullets used in a crime" would help the recent school shooting, where there is a dead guy lying there with a self-inflicted wound and 40 people that saw him do it.
     
  7. esq_stu

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    As a liberal, he'll probably let us have the right to keep and bear all the gun porn we want.:neener:
     
  8. highlander 5

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    A he's a politician B he's from Chicago and C He'd probably throw his mother under a bus to get elected POTUS if he thought it'd work.
     
  9. Cosmoline

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    Looks like Cthulhu is getting my vote again.
     
  10. Jim K

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    Obama has always been Chicago Mayor Daley's hand puppet. No matter what he says, he favors a ban (with searches and confiscation) on semi-automatic guns and all handguns. Is he a liar? Is he a politician? The questions answer themselves.

    Jim
     
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    Some years back a couple of Democratic strategists wrote a paper detailing how Democratic politicians could deal with the problems they were having with gun owners/voters by proclaiming they supported the Second Amendment while continuing to quietly work to restrict/eliminate gun ownership for self-defense. It appears someone in Obama’s crew read it and took it to heart. I think it’s a smart play for their side; it’s going to take hard work on our part to counter it.
     
  12. walking arsenal

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    I didn't know he was running again this year.
     
  13. dogbaloo

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    While I have a problem with an individual who believes in "gun control", I REALLY have an issue with anyone in a national leadership position who believes that lives can be saved, and crime carnage averted by simply making it more difficult for law abiding citizens to buy guns. That's such a horrible miscalculation that I wonder what else they miss on?
     
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    Ah, the audacity of hope:
    I can envision laws, like the ones in DC, that will eradicate gun violence, unlike the similar laws in Illinois, which make sure that the only guns in public are in the hands of pyschos.
     
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    All collectivists support "individual" rights - insofar as they match the goals of the collective. They do not see any conflict, as they cannot see individualism as anything other than subject to the collective - or in criminal opposition thereof.
     
  16. ilbob

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    Obama could well believe what he is really is pro 2A. Liberals believe all kinds of goofy things.
     
  17. The Sheriff

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    Obama, Clinton support for right to bear arms

    But both call for common-sense changes in gun laws
    By CRAIG GILBERT
    Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
    cgardner@journalsentinel.com
    Posted: Feb. 15, 2008.

    In the wake of the shooting at Northern Illinois University, Democratis presidential candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton both called Friday for what they said were common-sense changes in the gun laws, while declaring their support for the right to bear arms.

    At a press conference before a rally at the Midwest Center in downtown Milwaukee, Obama said the nation has to "get a handle on all the violence that's been taking place and ... do a more effective job of enforcing our gun laws, strengthening our background check system, being able to trace guns that are used in violent crimes ... (and) close the gun show loopholes."

    But asked about gun rights, Obama said, "I believe the Second Amendment means something." Weighing in on a long-running debate among scholars, Obama said he believes the Constitution confers on individuals the right to bear arms, and was not intended by the framers to simply provide for militias. The senator once taught constitutional law.

    "There is an individual right to bear arms. But it's subject to common sense regulation, just like most of our rights are subject to common sense regulations," said Obama.

    In an interview with the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Friday, Clinton was asked whether the shootings in Illinois were a reason to revisit the gun laws.

    "I do support lifting the prohibitions on local law enforcement being able to track guns to gun dealers who have a record of selling guns without appropriate oversight.... I do support closing the gun show loophole. I support reinstating the assault-weapons ban," Clinton said in the interview.

    "I believe strongly people have the right to own and bear arms under the Second Amendment. And I also believe we can reconcile our constitutional rights with common-sense measures that will keep guns out of the hands of criminals, terrorists and people with mental health problems," Clinton said.

    Both senators expressed their shock and horror at the shooting.

    "Well, I have been heartsick over what happened in Illinois. It's just so tragic and we've seen this over and over again," Clinton said in the interview.

    Obama, in whose state the shootings occurred Thursday, opened his press conference with the following statement:

    "We hear about heartbreaking, mindless acts of violence like this day after day, week after week. They come in and out of the headlines, and after awhile, most of the world goes on. But for all the loved ones who are left behind, the pain and the sorrow remain for a very, very long time. Today we offer them our prayers, but we must also offer them our determination to do whatever it takes to eradicate this violence from our streets and our schools; from our neighborhoods and our cities."

    Obama's Midwest Center rally drew about 6,000 people, according to his campaign. He had rallies scheduled later today in Oshkosh and Green Bay.

    Sen. Clinton arrives in the state Saturday and planned to campaign in the state until Tuesday, when Wisconsin holds its presidential primary.

    Notice the "But"?
     
  18. Cosmoline

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    Didn't you catch his "I'm dead but I have a dream" speech last month?
     
  19. Robert Hairless

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    I believe in Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton but of course they must be subject to reasonable, commonsense restrictions.
     
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    I hope a journalist asks him if he will sign the Amicus Curiae brief formally declaring his support for the "individual right to bear arms" that he believes in.
     
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    It's sad how 2 shooting in less than 1 month happened in such an anti-gun state! Shouldnt it be safer there? WOW! What Can Osama be thinking?
     
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    I believe he has also stated his belief that the Constitution is a "living" document that provides inspiration and guidance, but can be interpreted in light of contemporary realities.

    I always thought that was what the amendment process was for. Silly me.

    K
     
  23. Deacon Blues

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    If you stand in the middle of the road, you risk getting hit by traffic from both directions.

    Let's hope this happens sooner, rather than later.
     
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    Just where in Illinois can I express my right to bear arms in a meaningful way, senator?

    I went to his website and posed that very question to him.
     
  25. Im283

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    Thats all fine and dandy except for who is the one and what basis is used to make decisions as to whether someone is a criminal, terrorist or has mental health problem.

    If one honest law abiding citizen is denied a right to keep and bear arms then that is one to many.

    Obviously these two (and the others as well) will tell whatever lies they think they think neccessary to be elected.

    I still can't understand how either Dem is remotely qualified for the job anyway.
     
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