Obama Claims He Supports Individual Gun Rights

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Not really politically oriented, as much as it is activist oriented because of the very real threat to our Second Amendment rights. As far as I can tell, the thread, and the subsequent posts have stuck right to the discussion on the Second Amendment issue.
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I agree completely.Obama is the greatest threat to not only the 2A ,but the entire BOR since King George III(1812-1815).Unless you want to count that unpleasantness between 1861-1865.
No hype just fact,IMO.This freight train has got to be derailed.
 
Really?

http://gunowners.org/pres08/obama.htm

To Wit:

Barack Obama's Gun-Related Votes The U.S. Senate Debated: Obama
Voted:
Supporting concealed carry for citizens.......................... Anti-gun
Banning many common semi-automatic firearms............... Anti-gun
Disallowing self-defense in towns where guns are banned.. Anti-gun
Imposing one handgun a month restrictions..................... Anti-gun
Requiring lock up your safety trigger locks........................ Anti-gun
Protecting gun dealers from frivolous lawsuits.................. Anti-gun
Outlawing gun confiscations during a national emergency... Pro-gun **
Squelching the free speech rights of gun owners.............. Anti-gun
Restricting the interstate sales of firearms...................... Anti-gun
Repealing the gun ban in Washington, DC....................... Anti-gun

** Conflicts with other reports.

--Ray
 
He just has to say the right things.
Those persuaded by those things may be convinced to vote for him.
Those not persuaded will tie themselves in knots trying to explain why he's wrong, at which point both he and the previous group quickly get bored and move on to something more warm & fuzzy.
 
Obama supports the notion of a federal law overriding state laws, to deny concealed carry to average citizens, even in those states that currently allow it. :uhoh:

In the same breath, he supports municipalities invoking whatever gun laws and bans they see fit, eg., Washnington DC and Chicago-style gun bans, San Francisco and Madison attempted gun bans... :scrutiny:

In short, Barack Obama supports any law that introduces a new gun restriction, or curtails and existing gun freedom. :eek:

Don't think for one minute that they're not after your guns! By any which way thay can go at, they want you disarmed! Remeber that OSHA ammo proposal, that would have priced us right out of this activity? :rolleyes:

Hey, John McCain is not my cup of tea either; but he's 180 degrees away from Barack Obama on guns (he doesn't even support that stupid magazine ban). For now, he's our only choice! You've got to decide if you want to win this battle symbolically, or if you want Hillary/Obama defeated this fall. :mad:

--Ray
 
Yep, and cows fly. Did ya know used car sales people would tell a fib now and then too. :rolleyes:
 
He will protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding
Americans to purchase, own, transport, and use guns for the purposes of hunting and target shooting.
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Except for that part about outlawing the most popular target rifles and pistols in America, of course... :scrutiny:
 
Allow me to summarize:

Obama - anti-gun.

Hillary - anti-gun.

McCain - anti gun.

3 candidates, 2 parties, one platform against gun rights.

Gun owners will not have a friend in the White House in 2009. You could easily argue we have not had a friend in the White House since before Regan.
 
Not really politically oriented, as much as it is activist oriented because of the very real threat to our Second Amendment rights. As far as I can tell, the thread, and the subsequent posts have stuck right to the discussion on the Second Amendment issue.
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There is no plan of action. This is not activism. It's more preaching to the choir. It belongs in General Discussion, where it maybe would get locked for being politico. Unless I missed some kind of actual suggestion from the OP to act.
 
Obama has said that he wants a ban on all semiautomatics and a national ban on CCW.
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Can anyone point to a source on this??

BTW, It may be political, but what form of activism isn't political in one way or another? Maybe it should be allowed to discuss the viewpoints of the applicants to the most powerfull position inthe free world. Is it not activism to help keep your fellow man informed?
 
geophysicshooter, here are the sources:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.gun.html

"Supports extending the assault weapons ban. Supports national law against carrying concealed weapons, with exceptions for retired police and military personnel. Supports limiting gun sales to one per month."

http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm

"Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:
Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms" (ontheissues.org cites their source for this as "Source: 1998 IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test Jul 2, 1998")
 
Wow, I really feel for all of you over there.

Here our choice is simple, only own a firearm if you can display a need
shooting clays, vermin or hunting.
NO handguns, rigorous police checks, in fact I'm a serving soldier, my colleagues think I'm some kind of freak because I happen to like guns and I hunt.

See what a few years of brainwashing that guns are evil can do??

I used to shoot practical pistol before Dunblane, not since tho, because all pistols are evil and only belong in the hands of the police and armed forces

I hope you guys have some kind of a miracle, I want to move to the US when my time is served (8 yrs) and I'd like to have the right to bear arms
 
Sources And Activism

"Can anyone point to a source on this??

BTW, It may be political, but what form of activism isn't political in one way or another? Maybe it should be allowed to discuss the viewpoints of the applicants to the most powerfull position inthe free world. Is it not activism to help keep your fellow man informed?"

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OBama's Anti-Gun Voting Record...

http://gunowners.org/pres08/obama.htm

To Wit:

Barack Obama's Gun-Related Votes The U.S. Senate Debated: Obama
Voted:
Supporting concealed carry for citizens.......................... Anti-gun
Banning many common semi-automatic firearms............... Anti-gun
Disallowing self-defense in towns where guns are banned.. Anti-gun
Imposing one handgun a month restrictions..................... Anti-gun
Requiring lock up your safety trigger locks....................... Anti-gun
Protecting gun dealers from frivolous lawsuits.................. Anti-gun
Outlawing gun confiscations during a national emergency... Pro-gun **
Squelching the free speech rights of gun owners.............. Anti-gun
Restricting the interstate sales of firearms...................... Anti-gun
Repealing the gun ban in Washington, DC........................ Anti-gun

** Conflicts with other reports.

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Start here, open the link and scroll down to Obama:

http://www.wqad.com/Global/link.asp?L=260047

Question: Agree or Disagree: When the government places restrictions on obtaining and owning a gun, they infringe upon our rights to bear arms.
Answer: Disagree
Explanation: According to the 1998 National Political Awareness Test, Obama indicated he supported strong restrictions to control gun distribution. [More]

Click the More link on the quiz page to get here: http://votesmart.org/npat.php?can_id=9490#826


To wit:

Gun Issues

Indicate which principles you support (if any) concerning gun issues.

X a) Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
X b) Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
X c) Maintain state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
X d) Ease state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
X e) Repeal state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms by law-abiding citizens.
X f) Favor allowing citizens to carry concealed firearms.
X g) Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.

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Watch Obama's actions--not what he says (he'll say anything!).

Any law that adds a new restriction to gun ownership--Obama is for!

Any law that diminishes an existing gun right--Obama is for!

He supports the notion of a Federal Law that would curtail state laws that allow average citizens to conceal carry.

He supports the notion of allowing municipalities to invoke whatever gun bans or restrictions they wish, eg., Chicago, DC, San Francisco, Madison.

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"This is activism how again?"

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This is not academic--it's going down now. If keeping the wrong people out of office isn't activism, what is?

--Ray
 
Obama pays homage to our Constitution and the 2nd Amendment as one would to a long-deceased relative.
 
"Allow me to summarize:

Obama - anti-gun.

Hillary - anti-gun.

McCain - anti gun.

3 candidates, 2 parties, one platform against gun rights.

Gun owners will not have a friend in the White House in 2009. You could easily argue we have not had a friend in the White House since before Regan".

*****

Understood. But by contrast, McCain is a NRA cheerleader! He's only after the gun shows...

To Wit:

Protecting Second Amendment Rights

John McCain believes that the right of law abiding citizens to keep and bear arms is a fundamental, individual Constitutional right that we have a sacred duty to protect. We have a responsibility to ensure that criminals who violate the law are prosecuted to the fullest, rather than restricting the rights of law abiding citizens. Gun control is a proven failure in fighting crime. Law abiding citizens should not be asked to give up their rights because of criminals - criminals who ignore gun control laws anyway.


Gun Manufacturer Liability

John McCain opposes backdoor attempts to restrict Second Amendment rights by holding gun manufacturers liable for crimes committed by third parties using a firearm, and has voted to protect gun manufacturers from such inappropriate liability aimed at bankrupting the entire gun industry.

"Neither justice nor domestic peace are served by holding the innocent responsible for the acts of the criminal."

-Senator John McCain


Assault Weapons

John McCain opposes restrictions on so-called "assault rifles" and voted consistently against such bans. Most recently he opposed an amendment to extend a ban on 19 specific firearms, and others with similar characteristics.


Importation of High Capacity Magazines

John McCain opposes bans on the importation of certain types of ammunition magazines and has voted against such limitations.


Gun Locks

John McCain believes that every firearms owner has a responsibility to learn how to safely use and store the firearm they have chosen, whether for target shooting, hunting, or personal protection. He has supported legislation requiring gun manufacturers to include gun safety devices such as trigger locks in product packaging.


Banning Ammunition

John McCain believes that banning ammunition is just another way to undermine Second Amendment rights. He voted against an amendment that would have banned many of the most commonly used hunting cartridges on the spurious grounds that they were "armor-piercing."


DC Personal Protection

As part of John McCain's defense of Second Amendment rights, he cosponsored legislation to lift a ban on the law abiding citizens of the District of Columbia from exercising their Constitutional right to bear arms.


Criminal Background Checks

John McCain supports instant criminal background checks to help prohibit criminals from buying firearms and has voted to ensure they are conducted thoroughly, efficiently, and without infringing on the rights of law abiding citizens.


Background Checks at Gun Shows

At a time when some were trying to shut down gun shows in the name of fighting crime, John McCain tried to preserve gun shows by standardizing sales procedures. Federal law requires licensed firearm sellers at gun shows to do an instant criminal background check on purchasers while private firearm sellers at gun shows do not have to conduct such a check. John McCain introduced legislation that would require an instant criminal background check for all sales at gun shows and believes that such checks must be conducted quickly to ensure that unnecessary delays do not effectively block transactions.


The Firearm Purchase Waiting Period

John McCain has opposed "waiting periods" for law abiding citizen's purchase of firearms.


The confiscation of firearms after an emergency

John McCain opposes the confiscation of firearms from private citizens, particularly during times of crisis or emergency. He voted in favor of an amendment sponsored by Senator David Vitter prohibiting such confiscation.


Stiffer Penalties for Criminals who use a Firearm in the Commission of a Crime

John McCain believes in strict, mandatory penalties for criminals who use a firearm in the commission of a crime or illegally possess a firearm. Enforcing the current laws on the books is the best way to deter crime.

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We need to defeat Hillary, and even more so, Obama, and I don't mean symbolically--like voting for Ron Paul! McCain is our best option!

--Ray
 
The difference between Obama/Clinton and McCain is that either Democrat will actively pursue gun control measures. McCain would probably leave the issue alone (like Bush more or less).

But Ray, don't expect a lot of people around here to understand rational decision-making between actual options. That would require intelligence, control over one's emotions, and life experience. (And yeah, anyone who is insulted by that, I'm talkin' 'bout you.)

There are people here who rail against the Bush Administration for not being obsessively pro-gun. They have already forgotten the AWB expiration and tort reform for firearms manufacturers.

Now does that mean I like Bush a lot? Not really. But whoever has most points at the end of the SuperBowl wins the game, as we found out this year. It doesn't matter how the points were scored, when the clock runs out. We are ahead now; we were way behind 7 years ago. That's something more than nothing.

I was alive and conscious during the administration of his predecessor and the filth under him like Janet Reno. I remember the AWB. I remember the Clinton ATF.

I voted for Ron Paul in the Primary (Fred had dropped out). I'm not a McCain cheerleader, and I'm still amazed that, in a country of 300,000,000 we can't find anyone better than these clowns (or the clowns last time or the times before that).

But for chrissakes, GET REAL, PEOPLE! Obama for gun rights?!?
 

1) "I'm not a McCain cheerleader, and I'm still amazed that, in a country of 300,000,000 we can't find anyone better than these clowns (or the clowns last time or the times before that)."


2) But for chrissakes, GET REAL, PEOPLE! Obama for gun rights?!?

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1) Amen to that! :rolleyes:

2) Anybody serious about their gun rights, would be nuts to vote for Obama! :banghead:

--Ray
 
he would probably allow single shot black powder only. thats a gun, isn't it. Powder would be regulated, taxed (23,000%) and each granual would be micro printed. The lead balls (opps no lead, bad for the enviroment, the gold balls would also be micro printed.) course he could just be talking out both sides of his mouth, not like politicians haven't done this before. all I know is i'm getting ready to buy a few more high capacity mags (a dozen or so) for most of my guns before the election takes place. Just to be on the safe side.
 
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You guys are not getting it.

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It's not activism to sit here and enlighten us all on what 99% already know.

It's all well and good but it ain't doing s%@.
 
I think this is activism, but obviously it is up to the mods to decide. Barak Obama represents the most serious threat to our right to keep and bear arms that our nation has ever faced. If he gets elected and has a radical Democratic congress behind him, we may be facing our worst fears come true. Many gun owners may be made criminals by legislation we cannot stop, and a supreme court that may not protect us. What then? Will activism save us that is not political? I think not. Whether we like it or not, this election is shaping to be the crux of the struggle to protect our rights and of the effort to eradicate them. While one party may have been weak on supporting our rights, another has not wavered from attacking them. The very fact that the Democratic party has thrust forward two favorite candidates that are outspokenly opposed to the 2nd Ammendment means that it has made its mission eradicating such rights. It has made this perhaps one of its clearest and most eloquently voiced priorities. We must be prepared to take sides if it is the only way to defeat such devoted opponents. I appreciate threads like this and posts like R&J's above. It helped to shake me from my somber mood of depression about the entire situation, where I had resolved not to vote. Stirring our hearts and swaying our hands at the ballot box is activisim. It helped me to realize I must vote as it is by far the most important means at my hand for being an activist in this fateful year. I fear that should we lose, we may be facing far more grim choices in the very near future.

John
 
...The intention was not to draw people into a poliical discussion about Obama vs., Hillarah, or even McCain.
It was solely to focus on the threat to the Second Amendment that is currently in play.
With over 3,000 hits, and almost 100 posts, I would say that most people feel the issue is important and agree with that assessment.
 
It was solely to focus on the threat to the Second Amendment that is currently in play.
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There is very clearly a very serious active threat if Obama or Hillary wins the election.

The threat from McCain is relatively low by comparison, other than some more feel good stuff that may or may not be signed, or even passed by congress.

I am not sure how to activate people to understand this, or get them motivated to oppose pure evil. Gun owners could once again be the big force in the upcoming election, but only if we show up to the polls.

We should be worried about gun owners not showing up at the polls because we might think McCain is imperfect. Keep in mind there are a lot of other races that need to be voted in. If McCain is too imperfect to vote for, there is no law that says you can't just decline to vote for anyone for president, while expressing your vote in other races.

Gun owners MUST show up to the polls to reduce the damage being done to our rights!!!!
 
...The intention was not to draw people into a poliical discussion about Obama vs., Hillarah, or even McCain.
It was solely to focus on the threat to the Second Amendment that is currently in play.
With over 3,000 hits, and almost 100 posts, I would say that most people feel the issue is important and agree with that assessment.
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The issue is obviously important. I'm only trying to point out that there is zero activism, as per forum rules, going on with your thread. You suggested no plan of action. That's all I'm saying.
 
The issue is obviously important. I'm only trying to point out that there is zero activism, as per forum rules, going on with your thread. You suggested no plan of action. That's all I'm saying.
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maybe the thread should morph into:

a) how do we get gun owners of all stripes to realize the threat?
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b) how do we get them to the polls in adequate numbers?
 
Skipping and skimming the posts to get to the activism, at which point I can conclude that:

#1: Do everything and anything I can legally do to keep Obama, Clinton, or an Obama/Clinton aliance to gain the Presidency.

#2: Regardless of the outcome of #1, do everything I can legally do to stack the House and Senate with representatives in our favor.

#3: Regardless of the outcome of #1 and #2, do everything I can legally do to get supporters of our side elected to State and Regional offices.

Easy enough, sort of, on a good day, with the wind at my back, and a couple of million people helping to pull in the same direction. I think I need to go exercise now, this is going to get tiring.
 
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