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Obama - the real message.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Trent, Jan 16, 2013.

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  1. Trent

    Trent Resident Wiseguy

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    What I feared would happen has happened.

    Let me explain...

    The SOLE defense gun owners have is grass roots campaigns, calling representatives, writing letters, e-mailing, and so on. We get no media coverage (that's positive). Meanwhile, the other side has been battering the NRA from every angle, essentially laying the dead bodies of children at their feet and saying "you caused this."

    Now, we have gun owners all ranting and raving over some executive orders, which apparently do very little. We're thumping our chests and stomping about saying "See, he can't do anything."

    But I urge you to look deeper in to the message delivered today.

    The real power behind what Obama did wasn't in those Executive orders.

    No. He called upon the American people to mobilize, to call their representatives, to write letters, to bombard their people in Washington to ask "Do you support this?" And if not, "Why?"

    This is terrifying.

    Why? One might ask.

    Because our tactics are now being used against us, WITH the support of the media, WITH the support of the executive office. Obama flat out said "this is all I can do, the rest is up to YOU, America."

    Not up to congress. Not up to senators and representatives. Not up to judges or treaties or executive orders.

    He just mobilized the average citizen in to, what will become in short order, the largest lobbying group in the country. His message will be repeated on every major news outlet. Every newspaper. Every television set. Every internet site.

    YOU are responsible for calling your senators. Your representatives. And demanding action.

    No longer will we see what we saw in New York, where one assemblyman said "my staff informed me this morning that we received over 400 calls and e-mails calling for me to vote NO on this assault weapons ban. NO calls were received to support it."

    Those days are long gone.

    Our voices will get drowned out in the noise, now. Our ONLY tool just got turned against us.

    So while you puff your chests and hem and haw on internet forums saying "We won, it's over, he can't do anything else"....

    You better start writing letters. Not just a FEW of you.

    ALL of you.

    Because letters, and calls, and e-mails are going to be pouring in everywhere to support gun control. If your voice isn't heard LOUD today... the next use of your mouth will be to kiss it all away.

    As I step down from my little soap box, preaching to the choir here, please let my words sink in. Obama may be many things, but the man is highly intelligent and knows where our weakest links are. He knows where to hit us, HOW to hit us, and he just proved it today.

    Never in the history of the United States has any single man been such a threat to continued ownership of arms which give us parity against the state.

    Wake up and take action.


    /Rant.
     
  2. mrvco

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    I mentioned it a day or two ago in another thread, but this is why I am FAR more concerned about the 2014 election.
     
  3. spandexdonkey

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    the end game

    First time posting here,

    I suspect that all of the focus on doctors is to justify that guns of any flavor are a public health problem, then the surgeon general and director of health and human services can declare that the public health problem must be eliminated.

    They can outlaw guns through directive of Health and Human Services in the name of lowering healthcare costs.
     
  4. CoRoMo

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    GALLUP: Americans far more concerned about economy, debt, unemployment and taxes than guns...

    The average citizen doesn't seem to care so much about this. There is very little motivation in the average citizen to get involved in the gun control debate.

    However, we happen to be an extremely motivated, vocal, and involved minority.
     
  5. Trent

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    Well, spandex, what we're entering in to here is the age of "Thought Police."

    Make an internet posting about guns? Anyone who's a Doc can turn you in to the authorities to be investigated.

    Casual conversation at dinner about firearms in public? The guy at the table next to you might decide you're a threat and report you.

    THIS is the mindset they are going for.

    "Anyone who talks about weapons must surely be unstable."

    "Anyone who really thinks they're going to get murdered by a criminal, who thinks they need to carry a firearm for self defense, is surely mentally unbalanced"

    And so on.

    It's a clever plan. New York just passed something similar to this yesterday.

    But, that's a longer term danger. The imminent danger is mobilizing thousands of otherwise unconcerned people (I don't own guns/I only hunt, this don't affect me), in to calling their representatives "for the children".

    That's potentially millions of voices, more than the pro-gun groups could turn out, because, face it, we're a lazy bunch who has a FEW hard core activists that write a lot of letters. The rest just go to work, come home, and watch it all unfold on Television.
     
  6. MErl

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    This is a good reminder to keep the heat on. I don't see it as a long term threat though. Something else will come along and distract the people who think "yeah, AWB probably a good idea."
     
  7. G21NE

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    "No one" supported the NY ban, yet it still passed.....
     
  8. Skribs

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    That's why I say I'm not panicing, but we're not out of the woods yet. "I sent a letter in December" isn't enough. Help fund pro-gun groups. Get active in those groups. Send letters, emails, and phone calls. Organize awareness events. Spread propoganda on social media. Respond to news articles (and write your own on opinion sections). Do what you can to make sure Congress doesn't do anything.

    The NY ban passed because they rushed it through, ignoring their own public vetting process. Don't let the idea that something can pass regardless of your voice convince you to give up. Because if we give up, we will definitely give them up. I'm going with the lessons from Mad-Eye Moody in Harry Potter: CONSTANT VIGILANCE.
     
  9. Wyndage

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    Agreed Skribs. I just wrote to my legislators again (third time since Newtown). We need to keep the pressure on Congress.
     
  10. G21NE

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    originally posted by Trent:
    "Anyone who really thinks they're going to get murdered by a criminal, who thinks they need to carry a firearm for self defense, is surely mentally unbalanced"

    This argument from the antis is so hypocritical, they make it sound like crazy people with guns carry out mass shootings daily, but still that is no reason for a law abiding, competent citizen to have a gun for self defense. Boggles my mind.
     
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    We just need to stay the course here. Just keep bombarding those emails and voice mails and what ever kind of media you can voice your opinion with. We have to hold elected officials feet to the fire.
     
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    The main question is how loudly will we speak and will we now go to sleep??
    IF we as gun owners remain vigilant, keep the pressure up and VOTE progun legislators into office we will stay above the "noise" if we become complacent (which is where today's events could lead) we will get ran over. It was JFK who said the price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
     
  13. Fryerpower

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    Much like Obamacare?

    "We'll just have to pass it to see what is in it!"

    Jim
     
  14. gym

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    I firmlly believe in calling and writing everyone concerned, just remember that the average joe, is not as passionate about these things as we are, just like voting.
    Many folks will go back to sleep after a week, we won't.
     
  15. gossamer

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    Agreed, Skribd. I'm not panicking either. Mostly because every president since the dawn of our republic has had the bully pulpit to rally public opinion. As for this being unprecedented, anyone heard of LBJ? Clinton? Bush I?

    The press wasn't backing Clinton's efforts? Really????

    As for the other fearfulness about thought police etc. I'm not feeling it.

    Writing one letter isn't enough. Stay on your reps. Stay positive. Acting fearful or acting out of fear rarely swings opinion in your direction. Stay positive. Stay rational. Use facts not fear. Or we can suffer the outcome.
     
  16. Trent

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    Senators in NY voted on their new AW ban just 20 minutes after it was disseminated to them.

    They didn't even read it.
     
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    Not to mention the fact that it fundamentally contradicts protective service provided by the Secret Service or bodyguards. Is someone who gets or hires protective service mental ill? I think not; therefore, neither is someone who carries for personal protection. The argument is invalid. OTOH, if someone obsesses about it to the point where it becomes an interference to normal daily activities, then, yes, it might be a mental issue. But that goes for any mental obsession.
     
  18. Skribs

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    I'm not saying that it can't happen, Fryer. I'm just saying that the fact that it CAN happen is not an excuse for us not to be vocal.
     
  19. 2ifbyC

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    As I pause and reflect on the course of events over the past few weeks, my belief in our freedoms and democracy is still intact. We have gone through an emotional rollercoaster and our reasoning was clouded by an attack to a right that we all deeply cherish.

    As the smoke clears in yet another skirmish to strip us of our 2A amendment rights, it’s important that we evaluate what transpired.
    Each of us will undoubtedly come up with different conclusions. However, the one that most of us should agree on is that our voice was heard. If the POTUS thought he could unilaterally institute new gun laws, he would have. The Obama team read the tea leaves and was reduced to using the bully pulpit as its only means to garner support.

    We are in “a never ending battle for truth, justice, and the American way”. We may not have Superman, but we have the NRA and our votes.

    Keep the pressure on Congress.
     
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    Eric Holder said that they should use 'brainwashing' to shame gunowners, in the same way that smokers are shamed today. This is part of their strategy.
    Given the record numbers of gun sales and NICS checks, its seems that a lot of Americans arent buying it.

    Another strategy they use is agency level actions and administrative law. If they take away your rights - - - and the bureaucracy & costs make it impossible for you personally to restore them - - - your rights have been taken from you.

    Be very cautious about thinking "its not so bad". Its the details that count. Just like with Obamacare - - - the agency regulations can grow to thousands of pages and be filled with all kinds 'surprises' that were hidden from you.
     
  21. CharlieDeltaJuliet

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    Trent, I agree. Plus the representatives have been placed between a rock and a hard place. If they do nothing, they are likely to get backlash, if they act against gun owners they are likely to get backlash. Remember the media has the ability to spin this too, as they always do. It is likely the bills introduced will have clauses in them that both sides will want(better mental health care), but they will cram a magazine ban or AWB in with it. It will then be all or nothing and with the" hornets nest stirred up", I feel quite a few politicians might buckle with the fear of being stung. Remember, we a a minority as gun owners. Before this there were a lot that were neutral about everything, I fear they are being pulled into this mess, and will be forced to choose sides. While we might gain some, the other side might also...
     
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    I absolutely agree and will add to my next round of letters that anything that happens the Obamacare/NYS was is total BS and will not be tolerated.

    Jim
     
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    What is terrifying is that we have a government now that does not listen to the people, they ram through legislation even though the people are against it. They do not even read your letters anymore because of "terrorism / anthrax" concerns. If you write a letter now, they will look at it in 30 days MAYBE, if millions called and brought the phone lines down they say it was calls in support, they do not read e-mails, maybe they read faxes...

    Welcome to the new world order.
     
  24. Godsgunman

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    The whole "for our children" is a sham centered at simple minded baffoons. Throw in those 3 key words and connect them to anything and you can essentially use emotion to try to override logic and common sense. Unfortunately baffoonery is rampant and the latter two aren't there nowadays. If it truly was "for our children" he would be for protecting the Constitution so our children would be able to live in freedom and be able to defend themselves when the time comes. It truly is for my children that I will fight tooth and nail against such an attack on our freedom and liberties. It has nothing to do with guns themselves but everything to do with freedom being taken away by a tyrranical leader. As the vast majority of us on here understand and history has shown, its a vast slippery slope of seemingly benign little victories especially in this specific arena that leads to the eventual oppression of peoples and nations. "For Our Children".
     
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    I disagree. I think this was the most dangerous part of his speech today;

    "The president directed Attorney General Eric Holder to take a "fresh look" into whether the categories of people prohibited from buying firearms needs to be expanded or updated."

    This gives Holder the green light to expand who can be denied from buying firearms. Soldiers returning from combat, people who sought mental health care voluntarily, anyone on the terrorist watch list, anyone on the no fly list, in fact just about anyone.
     
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