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Obama's pick: Eric Holder for Attorney General. Effect on gun rights?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by MatthewVanitas, Nov 18, 2008.

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  1. MatthewVanitas

    MatthewVanitas Member

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    As I understand it, Obama's pick of Attorney General will have a sizable impact on gun policy under his administration. What does THR think of his pick of Eric Holder?

    What other political posts are THR members watching carefully, in terms of gun rights?
     
  2. Rio Laxas

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    He wrote this: http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/1999/June/257dag.htm


    and he said this in a News Hour with Jim Lehrer interview in 1999 located here: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/congress/jan-june99/guncontrol_5-27.html

     
  3. Bubba613

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    I would have been shocked if Obama asked Ashcroft to come back as AG. What did anyone expect?

    Realistically there isn't much an AG is going to do without having some political will behind it.
     
  4. cassandrasdaddy

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    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_n15_v13/ai_19340518/pg_1?tag=artBody;col1

    As U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, Eric Holder has been a frontline soldier in the city's war on drugs. Now, as deputy attorney general-designate, he reveals his strategy for dealing with the scourge of drugs.

    To Eric Holder, the first black to lead the country's largest US. attorney's of office, marijuana is not just a gate way drug, it is an avenue that leads to violent crime and death. This 21-year resident of D.C. has walked the streets of Northwest and Northeast Washington investigating crack houses and witnessing the blank eyes and empty faces that linger on city street corners. Holder is convinced that selling marijuana in drug-plagued D.C. should be a felony, not simply a misdemeanor as current law dictates. He has drafted legislation introduced to the city council to change the law and has worked to institute mandatory minimum sentences for convicted drug dealers.


    not what you might expect
     
  5. MatthewVanitas

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    Well, at least the fact that he's a Drug Warrior means that there will be plenty of people on the left displeased with the pick.

    I don't partake, myself, but given that Prohibition didn't work for alcohol, I'm most displeased about my tax dollars being used for Prohibition II.
     
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    I wonder if the new Attorney General will fund 72 hour police protection for any and every battered spouse and other people who have reason to fear for their lives and safety while waiting to purchase a firearm for personal protection.
     
  7. ArmedBear

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    Holder helped Reno spin Waco, was instrumental in the corrupt Clinton pardons, and the above.

    A new kind of politics, my ass.

    BTW, those who didn't like Bush and the GOP Congress, are you starting to see that they weren't ALL bad, yet? Or will it take a few more weeks?
     
  8. Cyborg

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    I am new to the forum but I cannot understand why anyone would be surprised at Barama choosing such a man for AG. The left is genuinely afraid of the populace having the wherewithal to defend themselves against an overreaching central government. These are without (or virtually without) exception elitists who are absolutely certain they know what is best for everyone. Clarence Darrow wrote:
    I do not believe these are evil people - at least not in the sense of a Hitler, a Pol Pot, or a Stalin. I have no doubt that Barama sincerely BELIEVES his vision is best. Doubtless there are those in his entourage who have less lofty motives but I refuse to attribute base motives to the left merely because they disagree with me and I find their worldview completely disconnected from the reality which I percieve. I have no problem ascribing to them the very best of intentions. Of course we all recall exactly what is paved with good intentions. As Aldus Huxley said :
    But even if their motives are pure the result may well be the end of the Republic as we know it. Perhaps C.S. Lewis said it best:
     
  9. Bubba613

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    I dunno. I think it will backlash. If Obama appoints ex-Clintonistas then he undermines his message of change. If he goes outside established names then he reinforces his own inexperience. It's a win-win for the rest of us.

    How much affect does the AG have on this stuff anyway? Ashcroft wrote a memo saying the 2A was an individual right. But I don't recall it having much positive effect after that.
     
  10. Justin

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    A multiple prohibitionist and a true believer to boot.

    Marx, save me from your followers...
     
  11. Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow

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    Just no surprise at all that the most anti-gun / anti-civil-rights POTUS in US History would choose a CCRV (certified civil rights violator) as AG. Disappointing, but not surprising.
     
  12. Patriot Henry

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    Eric Holder was the lawyer for the nice banana folks at Chiquita who were caught funding terrorism: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/01/AR2007080102601.html

    "Fruit fascism" as I recently termed it has a long and terrible presence in America's foreign policy. Chiquita used to be called United Fruit and it caused a great many terrible things to happen to innocent people.

    Everyone has the right to a lawyer, even corporate executives who fund terrorism. Being such a person's lawyer doesn't necessarily make one a bad person but this guy seems like a real representative of the worst government lawyer stereotype.

    Holder was also appointed Acting Attorney General under Bush before Ashcroft was put into power. Bipartisan agent of the leviathan. Some sort of "change" appointing this guy AG.
     
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    Sorry to change the subject, but I had a professor that was a foreign exchange student in Guatemala during the CIA/United Fruit squashing of the revolution there. I think he suffered PTSD from what he saw during that time.
     
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    Thank you, Mr. $. I use that handle because I AM in fact a cyborg. Between the steel that holds my right foot attached to my body and the titanium steel bracket that held my head onto my body until my neck healed and the microcomputer that tells my heart to beat I am literally a cyborg.

    I don't see doomsday. Just a possibility of the end of the world as we know it.

    The AG can have a significant effect, Bubba. IIRC the FBI is part of the DOJ of which the AG is head. The AG would be expected to lobby and testify before congress to get anti-2A legislation. If Barama's lapdog congress passes such legislation, the AG can encourage or discourage enforcement. The AG can also go on the lapdog media to shill the legislation. All in all the AG could play a very significant role in the coming conflict.
     
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    "Well, at least the fact that he's a Drug Warrior means that there will be plenty of people on the left displeased with the pick.

    Yeah. I nearly drove off the road when I dialed across Pacifica Radio KPFA in Berkeley and heard them ragging on Obama for his Clintonista picks. That was regarding the transition team. With Holder and others adding to the pile I'll have to tune back in for some real entertainment listening to the Pacifica crowd rail. :evil:
     
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    So he was a member of Janet Reno's gas em and burn em to get their guns bunch. I wonder how many buyers of EBR realized it would come to this??

    This is gonna be real interesting. Last time they went to work they stirred up the loonies and got Oaklahoma City bombed. God help us all if they start crap when the economy sucks and people ain't got anything to lose.

    jj
     
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    this wouldnt effect me much but i still dont support it

    unless they right in that all persons must complete a background check to buy a gun since nc allows face to face sale


    this law will just make the black market more profitable for the sale of stolen and otherwise illegal guns

    i dont understand what is so hard to understand that criminals wont be detured by a background check they will so go to the local piece of crap selling out of his truck of where ever they sell them from

    and just for teh record pot smokin hippies are some of the most relaxed people i have ever met and really just dont care what a law says since they already have no faith in our govt
     
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    I think I'll wait until he says something in 2008 or 2009 before I get too excited. There are a lot of gun grabbers in Congress. I want to wait and see what we'll be fighting first.
     
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    I warned everybody not to trust ANYTHING coming out of Chicago and calling itself a politician.
    Few chose to listen.
     
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    The AG dictates the type of actions that will be acceptable and even encouraged by individuals in the ATF, FBI, Homeland Security, etc

    If the AG believes guns really are a serious problem, then they can essentialy take the gloves off such agency's when they tackle those type of "problems".
    That has a huge impact, and greatly influences the type of actions that will be taken by those agencies.

    They are the lead LEO in the nation, and set the tone for Federal LEO, which over time effects the tone of State LEO as well.

    They also have some other direct powers, like declaring what shotguns are sporting, and which are not.
    Most recent AWB re-authorization bills ( a name which leads people to think they are the same, but a few sentences drasticly change things for the worse from the previous AWB) have an Attorney General clause that allows them to name all firearms that are prohibited for civilians.
    Giving them direct and constant powers over what citizens may and may not have.

    The AG is one of the most significant positions of the presidency.
    Also consider that Obama seems to be quite willing to cede to the experience of the people he has in his cabinet. So the nation is likely to be run more by those he hires than himself. He will be more or less the frontman and media figure, but those he hires the actual decision makers. They will also be largely responsible for whispering in Obama's ear on what bills need to be introduced. An AG that does not believe in the Right to Keep and Bear Arms should be a major concern.
     
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    Why do you think that Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot did not?

    I don't know anything about the site it's on, but this is an interesting read: http://www.faithfreedom.org/obama.html
     
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    Chicago is the most corrupt city in the nation, I guess the nation is about to see just what that entails at a national level.
     
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    This is just more proof of what I've been saying about Mr. Obama. He is not only not our friend. He is our enemy.

    This guy literally aided the execution of 80 people by the government.

    He aided getting Marc Rich off from a crime because of a back end deal to contribute to Clinton.

    This guy is also a "drug warrior" which really is code for "Anti- Bill of Rights Warrior".

    Yet another decision from Obama that tells me he was a bad decision from all those folks who wanted "change."

    PS-Do not infer I am saying McCain was any better a choice.
     
  24. ArmedBear

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    mordechai-

    Haven't seen you around here lately. Good to see your post; you're right on as usual.

    The idiots at Reason who figured that Obama would be an improvement in the civil liberties arena were so easily duped. What the?
     
  25. mordechaianiliewicz

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    Thanks, ArmedBear, I was simply waiting to make a triumphant return.... yeah

    As for Reason, well, they are desperate. Right now, both libertarians within the Republican Party, and the Paleocons know they are gasping on fumes. The neocon/religious right section doesn't know that yet, but they are as well.

    Reason saw the civil liberties attacks of the Bush Administration, which to a small "l" libertarian were horrifying, and figured, because of Obama's rhetoric, there would be a change. I hoped for it, but I knew better.

    Truth be known, no one in Washington who has any real power is looking out for the BoR. And, with Obama, guns (which were simply not really a concern for the Bush Administration) now are also to be targetted along with the rest of the BoR.

    Basically, the Democrats have one set of enemies, the Republicans another. Neither seems to really care that much about the Constitution when they see a chance to hobble their enemies.

    With the Republicans, they wanted to attack certain groups they felt might be "terrorists" in yet another undeclared war. They also wanted to deny freedom of assembly to people that opposed said war, and advocate certain religious beliefs, and also control certain relgious ideas, therby cutting out those without faith (faith based initiative).

    Now the Democrats will attack a mostly Conservative talk radio with the fairness doctrine, and probably go back to burning religious weirdos to death because they choose to be armed. They will also assault the rights of all gun owners with another assault weapons ban. Who knows where else they will go with this?

    The problem is, neither side asks, "Is what we are doing right?"
     
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