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OBL and missing 4 minutes

Discussion in 'Legal' started by fedlaw, Oct 31, 2004.

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  1. fedlaw

    fedlaw Member

    Feb 22, 2003
    Interesting article, especially the last paragraph. Anyone have any thoughts as to what's in the unaired four minutes and why it wasn't broadcast?


    Bin Laden Tape Was Attempt to Show Potency, Official Says

    By Walter Pincus
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Sunday, October 31, 2004; Page A07

    Osama bin Laden was trying to show Americans and the world in his taped message Friday that his al Qaeda terrorist network was still effective despite its loss of personnel and inability to strike inside this country since Sept. 11, 2001, a senior government counterterrorism expert said.

    John O. Brennan, director of the Terrorist Threat Integration Center (TTIC) and a longtime senior CIA analyst, told reporters yesterday that bin Laden was trying "to demonstrate that al Qaeda, as an organization, is still effective, even though they have not, in fact, been able to do something here in the states."

    Bin Laden was "looking for a way to justify the organization's continued existence and that there is still something there," Brennan said. Although Brennan made no mention of Abu Musab Zarqawi, other intelligence analysts have noted recently that the Jordanian terrorist, who is active in Iraq, has positioned himself as a successor or competitor although he recently swore fealty to bin Laden.

    Brennan said there appeared to be "no specific threat information" in the bin Laden tape but that it could be related to another tape given to ABC News last week showing an anonymous man claiming to be an American affiliated with al Qaeda and threatening attacks on Americans. Brennan said his agency was "looking . . . very closely right now" at whether there is a relationship between the two tapes.

    In a bulletin sent to state and local law enforcement agencies Friday night, the FBI and Department of Homeland Security asked for help in seeking to identify the individual, said Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge, who appeared with Brennan at a news conference.

    The bulletin described both tapes as "clearly intended to influence and instill fear in the American people." Both tapes were produced by the same media office, Al Sahab, and contain "classic al-Qaida propaganda in terms of their anti-U.S. ideology and denunciation of U.S. foreign policy," the bulletin said.

    "We remain concerned about al-Qaeda's interest in attacking the American homeland, and we cannot discount the possibility that the video may be intended to promote violence or serve as a signal for an attack," the bulletin said.

    "There is no specific intelligence that targets Election Day, polling places and the like," Ridge said. But in a conference call yesterday morning he briefed 350 people responsible for homeland security around the country on the situation. "The tapes are new," Ridge said. "The threat is not."

    The bin Laden tape, which was delivered to the al-Jazeera Arabic-language network, is being studied for clues about where the al Qaeda leader is hiding. The tape was delivered to the Qatar-based channel's office in Islamabad, Pakistan, on Friday hours before it was broadcast, the Associated Press reported.

    Once the tape reached Qatar, a copy was delivered to U.S. officials there and transmitted to the United States. When the White House learned about the tape, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice told President Bush aboard Air Force One while he was between campaign stops Friday morning. Bush then held a videoconference call with Rice and the FBI and CIA directors, along with top Justice and Homeland Security officials.

    U.S. officials asked al-Jazeera to delay broadcasting the tape, but the network turned down the request.

    An hour before the tape aired Friday, and after U.S. intelligence analysts had concluded that the speaker actually was bin Laden, Bush's Democratic rival, Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.), and his campaign learned about the tape from the White House.

    Among the many unanswered questions about the tape is whether its entire content was broadcast. One officials who asked not to be identified said that the tape was originally 18 minutes in length, but only 14 minutes were broadcast.

    © 2004 The Washington Post Company
  2. Cool Hand Luke 22:36

    Cool Hand Luke 22:36 member

    Oct 19, 2003
    Arlington, VA

    I'd take anything said by a CIA employee with a huge grain of salt. This is one of the outfits who's blistering incompetence allowed the 9/11 attacks to proceed.

    According to Newsweek there's a report that is being sat on untill after the election that extensively documents the CIA failures that allowed Al-Queda to pull of the slaughter of 3000 Americans.

    So far as I can see not one member of the Cult of Incompetence lost their job or was even reprimanded after 9/11. Not exactly confidence inspiring. And given their performance both prior to 9/11 and since, I'd discount anything those losers have to say on the subject of Bin Laden.
  3. Billll

    Billll Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    Littleton, CO
    /tinfoil hat

    Teresa Kerry says Bush has Bin Ladin in an undisclosed location, and plans to trot him out as "captured" on Monday, just before the election. The DU seems to think this is sort of true, but that Karl Rove forced OBL to make the tape to help Bush without having to give up the fact that he's been captured. Meanwhile, Army intelligence has been tormenting him by playing "It's a Small World After All" over and over, untill he issues orders to all his followers to assemble in Falluja for a great "Victory celebration", which will take place "Real Soon Now".

    /tinfoil hat

    God, I love a good conspiricy/hoax.:evil:
  4. feedthehogs

    feedthehogs Member

    Jan 8, 2003
    Missing 4 minutes was a recipe for cave bats.

    Its a good thing......................
  5. para.2

    para.2 Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    New Mexico
    It's not just the DU loonies who claim it was Carl Rove who "put UBL up to this" The other night Walter Cronkite said as much on Larry King! So you know it must be true!:what: :barf:
  6. Mr. Clark

    Mr. Clark Member

    Mar 18, 2004
    I don't know if he posts or not, but Cronkite is at least a DU loonie in spirit. He could be considered the father of the DU loonies. He was a DU loonie before they had a place to hang out or a phrase to describe them.

  7. Waitone

    Waitone Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    The Land of Broccoli and Fingernails
    Of course there is! Two institutions have completely escaped notice in the 9-11 attack.

    What did the executive branch contribute to the bureaucratic charlie-foxtrot through executive edict, policy, and procedures?

    What did congress contribute? A good place to start is the watergate fiasco.

    Until congress and the executive branch are investigated the intelligence failure called 9-11 will remain an open case.
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