OC Spray V. Stream

[The Night Rider]

I saw this video on YouTube yesterday

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It happens I carry UDAP Jogger Fogger. So this morning on my way to the gym I tried it.

Moderate wind I started out 15 feet from my dumpster and had to get within 6 feet before I actually hit the dumpster.

I also walked into the cloud and found out that if you actually hit the person UDAP works pretty good.

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I'm now using Sabre Red stream

 

[armoredman]

We use stream, works great. We also ditched the Sabre Red, called it "seasoning in a can", and went to Phantom, which I call the Devil's own farts - that stuff is powerful! But that's used in a correctional setting, of course. In any wind, spray is sometimes worse than useless - blow back is a real thing, watched two staff try to spray a minor disturbance, forgot to check wind direction, and ended up hosing themselves.

 

[Double_J]

Pay attention to the wind and gas yourself so that you are not getting your first experience when you really need to be clear headed. I used Saber Red many years ago (stream not fog or gel). I got some back spray one time when spraying some ornery raccoons and it got my attention. If I had not known what to expect it would have sucked.

 

[The Night Rider]

Pay attention to the wind and gas yourself so that you are not getting your first experience when you really need to be clear headed. I used Saber Red many years ago (stream not fog or gel). I got some back spray one time when spraying some ornery raccoons and it got my attention. If I had not known what to expect it would have sucked.

I got my first experience when I went through OC training working for G4S

 

[sgt127]

Having used stream. Splatter stream and fog. Stream has the best range. Splatter (at least that’s what Def Tec called) shorter range, but good dispersion.

The fine sprays, fog, are interesting. Shorter range, easy to get a snoutful yourself, but, damn, they really get into the respiratory system.

I carry a little ASP keychain Defender. Short range, but you can spray a “force field” that someone has to come through to get at you. Lingers in the air a few seconds.

 

[Kingcreek]

Didn’t the original Fox Labs have a cone spray with a central stream or am I remembering something else?
I used it once in a real situation and it was very effective on the bad guy and somewhat effective on me. Didn’t help that I was in my truck with driver side window down and the target face was about 12” away from mine.
What is the stuff to get and carry these days?

 

[westernrover]

Sabre Red stream in an EDC size and a bigger car can has worked well for me for years. I think after the second batch expired, I switched to POM only because I like the EDC size dispensers POM uses better. The bigger cans are the same.

 

[JShirley]

I got my first experience when I went through OC training working for G4S

Me, too!

No, actually, I let a team member hit me on my first deployment. Wackenhut/G4S was later.

 

[The Night Rider]

OC is hell 013 Female Marine

Marine Camp Fuji.. oc sprayed. hell.

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There is some language in this video.

I think they sprayed her with Gel. Please note it takes about a full minute to take effect.

This is why I don't like gel.

 

[Riomouse911]

OC Stream. In just about any possible scenario it is better than OC fog. (Or as we called it, The Cop Killer.) Fog spray inevitably gasses and affects the user as much as the crook.

Stay safe.

 

[JShirley]

I think stream is better in most respects, with the potential exception being fogging an interior to force a threat out. I'm always baffled when I see LEO struggle to remove someone from a car instead of just making the inside of their car inhospitable.

 

[Ethan Verity]

Pay attention to the wind and gas yourself so that you are not getting your first experience when you really need to be clear headed. I used Saber Red many years ago (stream not fog or gel). I got some back spray one time when spraying some ornery raccoons and it got my attention. If I had not known what to expect it would have sucked.

I agree with this 100%! Any time I try a new pepper spray, I get two of them, then practice with the extra one to get a feel for the spray pattern. This includes spraying upwind, on purpose, to see how bad the blowback is with each spray design. Some get me pretty good, some not so much.
Those training pepper sprays that are just filled with water aren't ideal in my opinion, not if you actually want to be prepared with it and know what to expect. No pain, no gain.

 

[JShirley]

The first time I got hit, in early 2007, was painful but I was mostly over it in an hr.

In 2009, I got hit as part of my certification in the Army Guard program (1 month mini police academy). 4 hours after I got hit, I drove home. I literally had to hold an eye open with a hand. I had volunteered to pick up litter in DC the next day. I had to move carefully, so I didn't throw up.

 

[The Night Rider]

G4S sprayed me with Saber Red Gel. I reacted like that female marine did, there was at least 30 seconds of "This is it?"

Like Douglas though, once it hit me I can't say I was incapacitated but I had to have somebody lead Me over to the water hose to get washed off.

Luckily I had a friend who had been through OC training multiple times and he told me to go home and take a cold shower and use Johnson's Baby Shampoo to wash my face.
He was also the who told me to make sure I leaned my body forward so the residue would drip down off my face instead of running down my body.

Actually got some OC on my junk once, that is a mistake you will only make one time in your life.

PS I will also add that when I sprayed that can of UDAP even though the fog dissipated quickly I walked up to the dumpster and my face was burning and my eyes were watering so the part that lingered was still somewhat effective.

 

[JShirley]

I scrubbed with Dawn, IIRC, right after I got hit, and fought through my assailants. Still, hours of suck.

 

[Speedo66]

They called it CBR training when I was in basic. The irritants were CS and CN gas, we were locked in a room with them, then grenaded with one of them again on the way back to the barracks.

Aside from the pain, I recall anything on my face that could exude a liquid was doing so, my eyes, my nose, my mouth.

Don’t care to experience that again.

 

[JShirley]

Oh, I have longtime nasal/sinus issues. My first CS exposure, I popped my mask, and said my name and social then re-sealed without taking a breath. When I saw cadets coming out with big streams of mucus coming out, I wished I had taken a breath.

Sooo, fast forward to 2006 and pre-mob. I was stuffy, and so when the SGT called for a volunteer to remove their mask it was me. He called me a hero but I just wanted to breathe!

I'm actually at pre-surgery right now. I'll have surgery next month to hopefully correct many of my issues.

 

[The Night Rider]

I don't know this for sure but I have been told that the Army uses Banana Oil as an irritant at the Gas Chamber.

I do know that as soon as I got away from the Gas Chamber and got some fresh air the effects went away.

 

[Mk-211]

I remember them PT'ing us, before we went into the block house full of CS.

Then running around in a circle with the mask off, as we went out the door.

Now, if that wasn't enough, just as I stopped burning, could halfway see again... I wiped my face with the sleeve of my BDU's...

They don't tell you that, all that CS is now all over you! The burning started all over again!

 

[JShirley]

Oh, yeah. It's a powder, you can see it in the air sometimes.

 

[Old Dog]

The irritants were CS and CN gas, we were locked in a room with them, then grenaded with one of them again on the way back to the barracks.

CS was miserable while you're in the gas house. CN not pretty either, but rarely used in any country these days. Just makes you feel as though you can't breath and your heart's not working.

But heere's the deal: CS and CN effects wear off relatively quickly. Once you're out of the cloud into fresh air, you're good to go relatively quickly.

OC, in high concentrations (at least 1.3% major capsaicinoid) is the gift that keeps on giving -- hours later you'll still be blowing snot bubbles and barely able to crack your eyes open enough to see blurry images, if the person that sprayed you disseminated it correctly. Oh, and don't go to take a leak without prior washing your hands thoroughly.

I was an OC instructor for 12 years. I hate getting OC'ed.

Get the good stuff -- ballistic stream. I recommend Safariland First Defense, especially the 360, Fox Labs or Sabre Red -- all 1.3% to 1.33% major capsaicinaoids. Stream or foam, not spray/fog.

 

[Meeks36]

CS was miserable while you're in the gas house. CN not pretty either, but rarely used in any country these days. Just makes you feel as though you can't breath and your heart's not working.

But heere's the deal: CS and CN effects wear off relatively quickly. Once you're out of the cloud into fresh air, you're good to go relatively quickly.

OC, in high concentrations (at least 1.3% major capsaicinoid) is the gift that keeps on giving -- hours later you'll still be blowing snot bubbles and barely able to crack your eyes open enough to see blurry images, if the person that sprayed you disseminated it correctly. Oh, and don't go to take a leak without prior washing your hands thoroughly.

I was an OC instructor for 12 years. I hate getting OC'ed.

Get the good stuff -- ballistic stream. I recommend Safariland First Defense, especially the 360, Fox Labs or Sabre Red -- all 1.3% to 1.33% major capsaicinaoids. Stream or foam, not spray/fog.

I’m kinda bummed about Fox labs stuff. Bought two cans. 3oz and 2oz. 2oz works great. The 3oz wouldn’t spray. Sent an email 1 week ago and haven’t heard back.

 

[armoredman]

Sabre Red for some reason did not work as well as Phantom. I had the opportunity to speak to a rep from the company in 2015, and she said, that they are the same ingredients, but I told her from extensive personal experience in a correctional setting, they do not work the same. Phantom is scary.
We USED to use LE Bodyguard 10, but after that dude ignited in Florida after being hosed extensively with petroleum based propellent OC and then tazed, we had to go to water based.
When I did the CS gas exposure in the academy, I was never completely incapacitated, but I had some LOVELY snot ropes hanging down.